[razor488]

I know it is apples to oranges since the iX is an EV, but I am curious if anyone is going to compare what you get with the X7 in terms of size, luxury, and price. The same curved display in the X7 really has my attention if you can get a nicely equipped version for $15k less than an iX. Could be the X7 is a better value if you look past the EV aspect.

[stealth.pilot]

The lack of the EV aspect will hurt resale. In the long-run the only gasoline engine cars that will fare well in depreciation are sports cars.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by razor488

I know it is apples to oranges since the iX is an EV, but I am curious if anyone is going to compare what you get with the X7 in terms of size, luxury, and price. The same curved display in the X7 really has my attention if you can get a nicely equipped version for $15k less than an iX. Could be the X7 is a better value if you look past the EV aspect.

A similarly equipped X7 will likely be significantly more expensive at least here in Canada.

I just did a quick build and it came to 134k CAD of a 2022 X7 40i vs my iX build sitting at 119k CAD with similar levels of equipment.

Basically if you want or need a 6/7 seater, the iX is not the right car, regardless of it being an EV or not.

[hugo_nz]

Ignoring the EV aspect is one thing. Ignoring the entire front end design and game-arcade ambient lighting is quite another. I’ve never been a fan of the x7. It’s always looked awkward from certain angles but now its just next level unpleasant looking. Price wise in New Zealand you can spec a 30D model to the price range of the iX x40 but the 50D and 50i ones are vastly more expensive than either the iX x40 or x50 (by around NZ$40k and NZ$20k respectively)

[rccarps2]

Debating this now. Looking to move out of our 19 X5 (bought fall of 18).

Few points for us.

-With a 1+ year old, we quickly learned that even the X5 filled up quickly if going on a long weekend road trip. Wish the iX was a little biggier. X7 would solve this problem. Zero chance we could use my M5 for these trips.

-Wife isn't sold on a 100% electric vehicle. Living in the suburbs in PA near Wilmington, DE, local charging stations are lacking. In fact, the year long free charging subscription that comes with the iX only has maybe 1 or two stations within 25 miles of me. Stations are almost nonexistent between Baltimore and Philadelphia. Obviously would have a charger in the garage, but that still doesn't ease the wifes concerns (longer road trips are her sticking point).

-Was really hoping the X7 came out with a PHEV version (like the X5). Would solve all my problems of needing additional space and fuel economy. I would say 60-70%% of the wifes driving is 20-30 mile round trip from the house. I have solar on my house, which generates good portion of my needs, plus I am on a TOU rate plan with cheap electricity when I would be charging, overnight.

- Have some interest in the MB EQS SUV. Personally I think it looks better than the iX. Saw the iX in person at my local dealer and wasn't blown away. Showed the wife some pics I took of the iX and she gave me the "ehhh" response. I think(?) the EQS SUV will be larger than the iX?

- Was quoted a delivery date for a iX most likely into Q1 of next year. Probably can get an X7 this fall.

Now just waiting for the US X7 ordering guide to get released. Will see what the dealer quotes on pricing (probably MSRP) and lead times.

[razor488]

rccarps2

Similar situation. My wife loves our Yukon Denali and basically only likes cars of that class/size. We have a four and two year old so they come with a lot of gear for any road trip. I like the iX because of EV and tech but my wife could care less.

In addition to our 2015 Denali with 80k miles, we have a 2017 BMW 3 series that is way too small for our needs. I want to replace the 3 series with the iX and keep the Denali, and then replace the Denali in a few years.

That said, buying then IX and then buying another Denali type vehicle in a few years is kind of more than I want to spend on cars. Not sure what the right answer is for me.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by rccarps2

-Wife isn't sold on a 100% electric vehicle. Living in the suburbs in PA near Wilmington, DE, local charging stations are lacking. In fact, the year long free charging subscription that comes with the iX only has maybe 1 or two stations within 25 miles of me. Stations are almost nonexistent between Baltimore and Philadelphia. Obviously would have a charger in the garage, but that still doesn't ease the wifes concerns (longer road trips are her sticking point).

The chargers near you are not the ones you would ever need to use. If you want to ease your wife's concerns, Go to https://abetterrouteplanner.com and set your car as being the iX. And then using the default settings just plan some potential road trips you are actually likely to do, like put in addresses for friends and family, or some of the big cities you might go for a trip to.

[rccarps2]

Originally Posted by ggalanis

The chargers near you are not the ones you would ever need to use. If you want to ease your wife's concerns, Go to https://abetterrouteplanner.com and set your car as being the iX. And then using the default settings just plan some potential road trips you are actually likely to do, like put in addresses for friends and family, or some of the big cities you might go for a trip to.

Thanks for the link. Played around on that website a few weeks ago. I drive from the Philly area to NC every month or two for work (about 375 miles). Taking the M5 is fun, but cranks the miles and is risky with no spare or runflats. The X5 is great for the run.

I tried that site to plan it with the iX. It takes my drive from 6ish hours to a minimum of 8. I "may" be able to get it down to closer to 7 if I tweak the minimum charge levels, but then I would coast into the facility close to zero with no chargers anywhere nearby. Plus it leans on a chargers along the way that I dont know if they are operational. I am sure they would be, but it would be a bit nerve wracking.

[rccarps2]

Originally Posted by razor488

rccarps2

Similar situation. My wife loves our Yukon Denali and basically only likes cars of that class/size. We have a four and two year old so they come with a lot of gear for any road trip. I like the iX because of EV and tech but my wife could care less.

In addition to our 2015 Denali with 80k miles, we have a 2017 BMW 3 series that is way too small for our needs. I want to replace the 3 series with the iX and keep the Denali, and then replace the Denali in a few years.

That said, buying then IX and then buying another Denali type vehicle in a few years is kind of more than I want to spend on cars. Not sure what the right answer is for me.

Tough decisions for sure. In all likelihood we will purchase the X7 this fall. I have a feeling interest rates are going to start climbing, so I think its a good time to lock in a new loan.

My M5 is due off lease late fall of next year (Thanksgiving). Maybe at that time I will be looking at a PHEV for me. Maybe the new hybrid M5 or the XM. Both I believe will have a PHEV setup? Or maybe I buy out the lease. Plenty of time before that comes up.

I would like to get out of 100% gas vehicles though.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by rccarps2

Thanks for the link. Played around on that website a few weeks ago. I drive from the Philly area to NC every month or two for work (about 375 miles). Taking the M5 is fun, but cranks the miles and is risky with no spare or runflats. The X5 is great for the run.

I tried that site to plan it with the iX. It takes my drive from 6ish hours to a minimum of 8. I "may" be able to get it down to closer to 7 if I tweak the minimum charge levels, but then I would coast into the facility close to zero with no chargers anywhere nearby. Plus it leans on a chargers along the way that I dont know if they are operational. I am sure they would be, but it would be a bit nerve wracking.

With my settings on their app (120% speed), on a 595km /372 miles drive starting from Wilmington (where you said you live) to Raleigh (the default city when you put in North Carolina), starting with 90% charge and arriving with 10%, the route planned adds 1h1m of charging making it a 6h20 minute trip with 5h19m of driving.

1 hour for charging is about right for this kind of trip, not 2. Of course I don't have the exact specifics of your trip so YMMV.

As much as that 1h of charging is not something you need to do with your gas car and does indeed make it longer, it is only extra time if you don't stop at all to eat along the way. I have myself already done road trips a bit longer than that without stopping but it is not how I do them nowadays. This also assumes that at your destination, you will be able to charge back up to full or near full battery on a lvl 2 charger while you are there doing other things like sleeping or working. If that is not possible, then you need to factor that extra charging time in as well which would be about an hour or so to get you to your destination with something like a 90% SOC.

[Paladin1]

No.

[rccarps2]

Originally Posted by ggalanis

With my settings on their app (120% speed), on a 595km /372 miles drive starting from Wilmington (where you said you live) to Raleigh (the default city when you put in North Carolina), starting with 90% charge and arriving with 10%, the route planned adds 1h1m of charging making it a 6h20 minute trip with 5h19m of driving.

1 hour for charging is about right for this kind of trip, not 2. Of course I don't have the exact specifics of your trip so YMMV.

As much as that 1h of charging is not something you need to do with your gas car and does indeed make it longer, it is only extra time if you don't stop at all to eat along the way. I have myself already done road trips a bit longer than that without stopping but it is not how I do them nowadays. This also assumes that at your destination, you will be able to charge back up to full or near full battery on a lvl 2 charger while you are there doing other things like sleeping or working. If that is not possible, then you need to factor that extra charging time in as well which would be about an hour or so to get you to your destination with something like a 90% SOC.

I will mess around with the numbers when I get some time.

My destination is about an hour and half east of Raleigh. About 100 miles from memory. I actually usually make the run down through the eastern shore (Delaware) and across the Bay Bridge. Less traffic than 95 and a wash on total mileage. Plus it's a nicer drive.

Unfortunately there isn't a L2 charger within 20ish miles of my destination. If I ended up getting the iX (or any full electric), I would get the my facility to put a charger in.

[760Lifan]

Originally Posted by razor488

I know it is apples to oranges since the iX is an EV, but I am curious if anyone is going to compare what you get with the X7 in terms of size, luxury, and price. The same curved display in the X7 really has my attention if you can get a nicely equipped version for $15k less than an iX. Could be the X7 is a better value if you look past the EV aspect.

...and looking past the EV aspect is so darn difficult.

Right now, I would have a hard time deciding between an iX M60 and an X7 M60i. Performance wise, the iX is the clear winner and the fact that - at least, for now - the X7 is not getting a power-bump doesn't help, either.

Road-appearance wise, the X7 is making a bolder statement. It is also more luxurious. But then, again, the iX can be had with a superior sound system which is huge for me as well.

Yes, it is comparing apples to oranges but I think that's exactly why it's a difficult choice for many.

[rccarps2]

Originally Posted by ggalanis

With my settings on their app (120% speed), on a 595km /372 miles drive starting from Wilmington (where you said you live) to Raleigh (the default city when you put in North Carolina), starting with 90% charge and arriving with 10%, the route planned adds 1h1m of charging making it a 6h20 minute trip with 5h19m of driving.

1 hour for charging is about right for this kind of trip, not 2. Of course I don't have the exact specifics of your trip so YMMV.

As much as that 1h of charging is not something you need to do with your gas car and does indeed make it longer, it is only extra time if you don't stop at all to eat along the way. I have myself already done road trips a bit longer than that without stopping but it is not how I do them nowadays. This also assumes that at your destination, you will be able to charge back up to full or near full battery on a lvl 2 charger while you are there doing other things like sleeping or working. If that is not possible, then you need to factor that extra charging time in as well which would be about an hour or so to get you to your destination with something like a 90% SOC.

Punching in the actual start and destination address (using your described variables), gives me a drive time of 7hrs 4min, 365miles, with 3 stops in DC, Richmond and Emporia. That is down 95. If I go my usual route through Delaware, it would add 30 mins to that time.

Not a deal breaker at all in my mind. I usually leave around 8am and pull into my facuility around 2-2:30, traffic dependent. I am all for an iX. Just have to convince the wife. If it was bigger than our current X5, then it would be a far easier sell and I would probably have one on order now. Biggest issue is she thinks if/when we change vehicles it should be a little bigger than the X5.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by rccarps2

Punching in the actual start and destination address (using your described variables), gives me a drive time of 7hrs 4min, 365miles, with 3 stops in DC, Richmond and Emporia. That is down 95. If I go my usual route through Delaware, it would add 30 mins to that time.

Not a deal breaker at all in my mind. I usually leave around 8am and pull into my facuility around 2-2:30, traffic dependent. I am all for an iX. Just have to convince the wife. If it was bigger than our current X5, then it would be a far easier sell and I would probably have one on order now. Biggest issue is she thinks if/when we change vehicles it should be a little bigger than the X5.

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did you by chance set it with a iX 40 instead of an iX 50?
Those times look like they match when I do approximately the same drive but with a 40 model, which has less range and charges slower.

I mean if you were looking to get a 40, that's fine, but it would help explain the discrepancy.

[ggalanis]

Originally Posted by rccarps2

Biggest issue is she thinks if/when we change vehicles it should be a little bigger than the X5.

My wife thinks like that too. When we were shopping for the X5 back in 2018-2019, she wanted a 7 seater. We are a family of 4 and at that time the kids were 10 and 11. I found it to be overkill but she imagined scenarios where we would need the extra space, and the extra seats. She would have wanted an X7 instead. The X7, when it came out was exactly 20,000$ CAD for the same spec as my X5. And how often would we have needed the extra seats or space in the past 3 years?

Once. Exactly once. For my son's birthday, we took him and some friends go carting and we didn't all fit in the X5. So I brought 1 kid in my E30 and my wife brought 4 kids in the X5. It was 20 minutes each way. I'm glad I kept the 20k.

[rccarps2]

Originally Posted by ggalanis

did you by chance set it with a iX 40 instead of an iX 50?
Those times look like they match when I do approximately the same drive but with a 40 model, which has less range and charges slower.

I mean if you were looking to get a 40, that's fine, but it would help explain the discrepancy.

Completely right. Had it set to the 40. Dropped the time to 6:15, a little more than what I do it in now. Or if I go my traditional route, 6:42.

Thank you for the screwup on my part.

Time for another conversation with the wife, lol.

[NomoTesla]

Not in the slightest.