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01-11-2020, 12:09 AM | #28 |
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Sport Auto driver seems to have overcooked it in at least one corner, likely due to greasy street tires; so it’s probable that the car had quite a bit more speed on proper racing compound.
But to make the lap results meaningful, each car will have to be driven by the same driver on the same tire compound and under the same atmospheric conditions. |
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01-11-2020, 02:43 AM | #29 | |
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Well the fact of the matter it is, it wasn't faster. The M8 could've also gone faster if the track wasn't so greasy. You do realize that the Carrera S weighs almost a thousand pounds less than the M8 right? Give credit where it's due, that's a good time. |
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01-11-2020, 03:17 AM | #30 |
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It's weird that it's that much slower.
I remember a test where they compared the F90 Competition with the AMG GT 63 S at the same day with same weather conditions and the M5 was actually a bit faster. I don't know how the conditions were when the AMG GT 63 S was driven at the Hockenheim ring. It seems that it was winter when they drove the M8 and considering the Pirellis as well, I guess the M8 would be faster than the AMG GT 63 S if they would drive both at the same day. But that's speculations of course. |
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But M8 is a different purpose car from 911, so unlikely many track enthusiasts will consider buying M8 for track work. While an occasional track day is doable, it remains to be seen if stock M8 can run consistent hard laps without cooking the brakes and the dreaded ‘Drivetrain malfunction’. Again, 4400 lbs GT car wasn’t built for track. While 911 is a dual purpose machine. It can run hard all day at the track and then comfortably double as daily. First hand experience. Also, as I wrote above, comparing lap times achieved by different drivers on different days on different tires is meaningless. |
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01-11-2020, 11:42 AM | #32 |
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Sort of a proof of concept that with proper engineering a big boi like the M8 can win Daytona and compete with the high end competition like 911 and Ferrari, at an amateur level, and still have the most comfortable drive home from the track.
Of course it'll cost you in tires and pads to stop that thing, in the grand scheme that's hardly a big deal if you're shopping for those cars. |
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Yep.
My worry is that the M8GC Competition is significantly heavier than the M8CC, so its time will be slower than this one probably, and it will lose the battle agains that AMG GT. Not just that, but I have the feeling the AMG will feel racier/sportier. That AMG is a supremely well executed product.
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01-12-2020, 10:10 PM | #38 | |
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The whole direction with the ZF8 is more gears, closer ratios, lower redline and shorter times between shifts. This only works when the car gets to decide when to change gear. It's getting super-hard for a driver to be part of that process. Especially with the lag between hitting the paddle and a downshift happening. Sadly, the car can't see the road ahead. The car doesn't know what gear I want to be in 3 seconds from now. And that is both frustrating and dis-satisfying for the driver. I'm really hoping that this isn't the box they put in the new M3/4. Check out the review below from 4m20s onwards to see what I mean: Last edited by pbar; 01-12-2020 at 10:18 PM.. |
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Interesting on the perceived lag when shifting by paddle which is surprising on a M car. I have only tracked my tuned 230i once and was instructed to use the paddles, especially to downshift. Of course at your first HDPE class you're so excited about being on a track, you don't notice lag or how well the auto is up-shifting.
Thank you for sharing this video. |
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The car has somewhat big paddles so shifting may not be visible other than in the cluster. I find the ZF to be very well mated to the car and aggressive and fast shifting in D3 mode, not unlike a Dual clutch. While a controversial move I think the ZF has proven itself in the M5/M8 |
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The slowest Carrera is not the Carrera S. That would be the base Carrera. Which still isn't a competitor to the M8. The Panamera is roughly the same weight as the M8, and the only version that has run on the same track with the same driver, albeit on a different day, was a full seven seconds slower that the M8. Granted it was the Panamera GTS, but I don't see any Panamera beating the M8 Competition at Hockenheim GP by a wide margin. |
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