[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by monkeyman8

Do your homework, many 22's are buybacks or just shy of becoming buybacks. Owners experiencing service exhaustion and just trade it.

I'd go '23.

I’m on the MB boards so I know. Most seem to have battery issues.

[Kponti]

Originally Posted by Buddym850icoupe

Before anyone even considers the amg gt, look at how many SLs are buybacks or lemons in less than a year of being for sale. The new amg gt is identical to the SL so expect the same issues. Also, there are comparison tests of the SL 55 and SL 63 with the m850 convertible and m8 convertible and the 8 series came out on top. As a prior owner of a near 200k 2020 amg gtc roadster, I would tell u all to steer clear. Current mercedes reliability is pretty abominable. I'd also mention that the optional high end 3d burmester doesn't come close to the B&W

My 2021 E63s had quite a few issues in the first year I owned it (front diff exploded, rear taillight led assembly went out twice, lots of body panels fell off or popped out of place).
Lots of rattles in the second year (mostly taken care off except the one from the trunk that evaded fixing)

I think you may be on to something about quality really taking a nosedive at MB

[m3_08]

I had one of first 2018 E63s wagons and it was perfect for 3 years.
Was offered SL63 at MSRP but had gut feeling to skip it. Was a good move with all SL problems and huge depreciation.

Happy for now with my M8 conv and so far don't see better car to replace it

[LSM]

Seems like the AMG GT vs SL is somehow much faster and suspension tuning consistent with a much more sporty car. They are sub 3.

Gorgeous imo

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by Buddym850icoupe

Before anyone even considers the amg gt, look at how many SLs are buybacks or lemons in less than a year of being for sale. The new amg gt is identical to the SL so expect the same issues. Also, there are comparison tests of the SL 55 and SL 63 with the m850 convertible and m8 convertible and the 8 series came out on top. As a prior owner of a near 200k 2020 amg gtc roadster, I would tell u all to steer clear. Current mercedes reliability is pretty abominable. I'd also mention that the optional high end 3d burmester doesn't come close to the B&W

Any manufacturer can produce a lemon but to your point sadly Mercedes is definitely having some quality control issues over the last few years. They had to buy back a co-workers SL 63 from 2021 and replace it. Irony is same guy that bought a SL500 back in the early 2Ks that also lemoned out but in that buyback they threw in oa sweet deal for a SL55 (63 didn't exist until a few years later) that was rock solid.

Agreed on the 3D Burmeister audio. I tried to calibrate his 2021 lemon and replacement but it was an exercise in frustration. The 3D Burmeister has the most aggressive non-defeatable DSP of any car audio system I've been asked to help with. Granted I'd love the option to defeat the B&W DSP aka sound profiles as I know I would be able to get even more out of the system for my 5.1 FLAC albums but at least I've discovered "concert" is the sweet spot after hours and hours of testing/calibrating.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Reviews are out
https://youtu.be/yc-L4-RsUhI?si=h0djyY5qVHcKvW1s
0 to 100 in 2.97
That is impressive given the power to weight ratio

Wow almost sold just on the exhaust alone and that's a European spec that has to deal with even harsher noise regulations. That said everything else appears to be fantastic as well (minus the loss of hard buttons but that's the sad future). It's now absolutely on the shortlist for the M850i's replacement.

Just need to wait until next year when it launches in the NA market to at least test drive it. Then the waiting game on poor selling discounts or even a CPO if I truly love it and the shortlist winner. No issues though as the lease buyout plus 7-year Platinum extended warranty keeps me in the M850i through 2026 if need be. 👍

[BMWGirlFL]

Updated Guide:
2024-gt-coupe-AMG-order-guide-en_us (2).pdf

[xmanpro]

Obsidian black, crystal white, piano black, active aero and ceramic brakes is where I would start

[RJC-1]

It looks great but I don't trust MB transmissions, had too many issues with them on both my S Classes. MB needs to let ZF build them.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by RJC-1

It looks great but I don't trust MB transmissions, had too many issues with them on both my S Classes. MB needs to let ZF build them.

Interesting--- what tranny's were those?

I have had 6 MCT's (what is on the new GT) and have no issues with them from a mechanical standpoint.

2010 E63
2012 CLS63
2012 E63 Wagon
2013 SL63
2017 C63
2018 E63

I do think Benz has done a better job with the MCT TCU because it used to a be a sluggish to respond via the paddle shifter along with some interesting thuds. But my latter MCT's were fine. I still think, to your point, the ZF is the better universal tranny.

[Dr Thrillride]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I still think, to your point, the ZF is the better universal tranny.

Although jury is still out from my perspective on my car, xHP software makes it a bit more snappier. Seems to move through massive torque, 2900-3200 rpm range quicker. Have not had the car on the track yet to really test.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Dr Thrillride

Although jury is still out from my perspective on my car, xHP software makes it a bit more snappier. Seems to move through massive torque, 2900-3200 rpm range quicker. Have not had the car on the track yet to really test.

I have heard/read good things about the xhp--- easy to install?

Pricing?

[Kponti]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I have heard/read good things about the xhp--- easy to install?

Pricing?

Very Easy to install (make sure you have the right wireless adapter NOT xHP adapter)

I have been using mine for about 2-3 months now and I cannot say my car got any faster, but definitely snappier.
I can however match the drag times on my draggy with or without using launch control with the xHP by simply brake boosting to 2000-2500rpm.
Cost is around $400 total

[RJC-1]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Interesting--- what tranny's were those?

I have had 6 MCT's (what is on the new GT) and have no issues with them from a mechanical standpoint.

2010 E63
2012 CLS63
2012 E63 Wagon
2013 SL63
2017 C63
2018 E63

I do think Benz has done a better job with the MCT TCU because it used to a be a sluggish to respond via the paddle shifter along with some interesting thuds. But my latter MCT's were fine. I still think, to your point, the ZF is the better universal tranny.

2009 E55 Very harsh shifts (up/down) at low speeds dealer could not fix
2016 S550 Coupe (7G) Nightmare, very hard shifts, Megatronic replacement made it even worse
2017 S550 Coupe (9G) Better than 7G, but not great (first MY for 9G).

Agree, the original AMG wet clutch was a known problem child, as was the non-amg 7G. There were lots of complaints on MBWorld forum, even with the latest rendition.

[Kponti]

Originally Posted by RJC-1

2009 E55 Very harsh shifts (up/down) at low speeds dealer could not fix
2016 S550 Coupe (7G) Nightmare, very hard shifts, Megatronic replacement made it even worse
2017 S550 Coupe (9G) Better than 7G, but not great (first MY for 9G).

Agree, the original AMG wet clutch was a known problem child, as was the non-amg 7G. There were lots of complaints on MBWorld forum, even with the latest rendition.

They are actually very very durable transmission units for sure. Much better than the BMW ones before the 8 speed autos.

But the low speed shifting was atrocious!!! Got better with the 9 speed but anything before than was crap most of the time outside of comfort mode.
9 speed is the best so far but even that isn't as good as the auto from bmw

[crabman]

I'd go mediocre at best on the Merc trans; it's not as smooth as a PDK on the one end and lacks the snappy shipping on the other. Could be car specific though; I've got a porker tuned for comfort. Still, a dual-clutch should not be besting an auto at one of it's best potential attributes; smooth, comfortable, shifts.

It isn't just the tuning though, the box has some problems like what's usually described as a thunk, bang, or something similar at low speeds in certain situations. This is most often seen on steeper hills with a downshift from any gear or when at a standing start and the transmission decides to shift down from 2nd to 1st. The latter happens a fair bit where you've set off but for some reason you need to goose it and you get an abrupt, clunky, shift.

I've had the ZF in various iterations in a number of cars and I'd rate it well above what's in mine now.

[Dr Thrillride]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I have heard/read good things about the xhp--- easy to install?

Pricing?

Dealer installed for $495 CND for the software and he set it up to match my tune. 1 hour labour for install and setup. Then car went on dyno

[BMWGirlFL]

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

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Looks good and enough power
This what the 63s should have came with regarding power
The question is
what is the curb weight and pricing? ( probably around 200k unless gets some discounts)

I am still waiting for the new m5 but i dont like the fact it weight 5400 pounds and only 718 hp (despite being probably underated) and not a big fan of the look overall

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Looks good and enough power
This what the 63s should have came with regarding power
The question is
what is the curb weight and pricing? ( probably around 200k unless gets some discounts)

I am still waiting for the new m5 but i dont like the fact it weight 5400 pounds and only 718 hp (despite being probably underated) and not a big fan of the look overall

Guessing >$200K (MSRP) & ~5K (Curb).

[RJC-1]

The new Gt is the best-looking iteration yet, but still an amalgamation of an MB Gt and 911. I know imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but if i were Porsche I'd be pissed, as on the side view from the A-pillar back it is a 911 rip off.

[Gizmo 335i]

Sat in a new GT coupe today. Really nice, sporty exterior in my opinion. When peaking inside, the interior looked promising even with the duct taped screen. But then I sat in it. The screen is so out of place and ruined the entire experience. It’s akin to cheap body kits and wings that dominated the Honda tuner scene. So disappointing as Mercs used to have great interiors.

Reviews also describe the GT as having a fair amount of road noise and a “firm” suspension. For a grand tourer the M8 seems to bring the goods.