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      10-23-2020, 10:41 PM   #23
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Yep, a M2 is literally a walk back into the stone ages compared to an 8-series from a tech perspective. Granted it is targeted at a different audience so once again it is apples to oranges vs what snareman is considering.
I just did one of the M Track days on the Indy 500 track in September. We drove M2, M5 comp, M8 comp, X5M, X6M and maybe a few others. It was quite the difference getting into the M2 right after driving the M5 and M8. Stone age was something along line of the thought I was having with the way the interior and tech was in comparison. Again, great car, just a different beast for a different buyer.
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Yep, a M2 is literally a walk back into the stone ages compared to an 8-series from a tech perspective. Granted it is targeted at a different audience so once again it is apples to oranges vs what snareman is considering.
Was talking about M235i when introduced in 2014.
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Why get the m8 over the M850i? Why get the m8 comp over the m8? Why get the m4 or m5?

It's all subjective. Pick something and move along. If you have to ask, you can't afford the m8. If you're having doubts or second thoughts, you don't need a v8.
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Um, thanks for the help. No, I don't think I can afford a 150k car unless there was some amazing deal on it. And now that it doesn't come in a coupe it wouldn't make the list anyway unless I got a use one. I'm here trying to gather some info so I CAN pick something.
Agreed. Knowing Resjudicata his advice although stated differently than mine is the same sentiment, i.e., wants (aka desires) are different than needs and in both cases have to be gauged ultimately by the associated affordability. You're on the right path given all the questions you are asking.
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Thanks. To match the M850i standard features you need to include the Comfort Seating Package at $500. Not a huge differential. However, back to the tech in a 8-series vs the M2 you definitely want the Driving Assistance Professional package at $1,700. I paid extra for the ACC component on my wife's 2017 X5 which is included in the package and a godsend for road trips. However, with the DAP on the 8-series the car will literally drive itself and worth every penny whether you're stuck in rush hour traffic or on a long distance highway cruise.

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Why get the m8 over the M850i? Why get the m8 comp over the m8? Why get the m4 or m5?

It's all subjective. Pick something and move along. If you have to ask, you can't afford the m8. If you're having doubts or second thoughts, you don't need a v8.
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Um, thanks for the help. No, I don't think I can afford a 150k car unless there was some amazing deal on it. And now that it doesn't come in a coupe it wouldn't make the list anyway unless I got a use one. I'm here trying to gather some info so I CAN pick something.
Agreed. Knowing Resjudicata his advice although stated differently than mine is the same sentiment, i.e., wants (aka desires) are different than needs and in both cases have to be gauged ultimately by the associated affordability. You're on the right path given all the questions you are asking.
Yes, once upon a time I was more eloquent and descriptive. Like Mr. @bloozemanAZ

But it's totally up to you, and you can always sell and swap into different cars. Also the m4 is going to be very different than the 840 because you're going to lose all your "m" functions like launch controls and red "m" mode buttons, etc that an m8 would have.

Do you want a race car? Get the m8comp. (Or p-car, 911)
Do you want an occasional track car? M8
Do you want a full GT cruiser with some daily functions? M850i
Do you want a sedan like experience with the looks of a sporty coupe? Get the 840i.

Also as noted there is a big price jump from an old m4 to a new M850i 2 door vs a 840 gran coupe.
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As the title asks...

As you may have seen from my other thread I'm looking to move from an M4 up to an 8. I specced out an 840 M Sport and M850 with the same options. Other than obviously the engine and it looks like a rear spoiler and front lower lip, what else do I get for the extra $18,000? I know the 850 comes with more options standard, but selecting the same color, wheels, leather, interior trim, B&W radio, seating, shadowline, and getting the 840 "up to" the 850 standard options etc are there any other differences for the extra money?

I don't care about Xdrive. I have a Jeep for winter and the car will never see the track. I would of course love the V8. I'm just trying to see if I can justify spending that much more money on it. Using the generic BMW payment calculator, the 850 is about $300 more/month on a 10k lease. I'm hoping to go drive some this weekend.

Thanks for all the input.
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Yes, once upon a time I was more eloquent and descriptive. Like Mr. @bloozemanAZ

But it's totally up to you, and you can always sell and swap into different cars. Also the m4 is going to be very different than the 840 because you're going to lose all your "m" functions like launch controls and red "m" mode buttons, etc that an m8 would have.

Do you want a race car? Get the m8comp. (Or p-car, 911)
Do you want an occasional track car? M8
Do you want a full GT cruiser with some daily functions? M850i
Do you want a sedan like experience with the looks of a sporty coupe? Get the 840i.

Also as noted there is a big price jump from an old m4 to a new M850i 2 door vs a 840 gran coupe.
Thanks. Yea, $38k, the price of a new car, is a bit of a price jump considering I was originally trying not to go too crazy with adding options to a new M4 build. I'm off to Cincinnati for some 8 series shopping.
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For me the choice would be a no-brainer since I defintely enjoy driving such a big car with lots of comfort (except non-exisiting backseats on the coupe), the latest tech stuff and most of all have some excellent performance without having to cash so much more for an M8 (though at some point I might re-think on this.....). Thus i think the M850i ticks the boxes a little better thanks to performance side of things and the included options without having to cash extra for some of them (vs. the 840i), as other people have highlighted in a crystal clear way in other posts. And to me performance matters a lot because the Autobahn is not too far away from where I am based...an not only that.

If I was you I would ask myself two basic questions (including subquestions in there):

1) Is the performance premium the M850i has over the 840i worth it and IMPORTANT TO ME and thus am I prepared to pay for it? Or will I eventually tune my 840i so that I will enjoy quite an extra performance boost at a minimum cost which will more than suffice?

2) Are the extra (on the 840i) features which are included in the M850i important to you? And what options do you find (a used/almost new 2019 or 2020 M850i vs a new 840i full or near full specs...)?

The above of course considering one's own budget as it is, or should be the case with such a purchase.
As blooze, I am also a buy and hold type of buyer (keep cars for 5-7 years). In fact I like to just buy the car because I want to do what I want with it and want 0 limitations whatsoever. I also want to tune my car so if something happens it's "my thing" and I am responsible. Also I have always been, and still am, prepared to account for the huge loss these cars experience in value after the 1st year especially. My previous F06 650iXdrive was worth 1/3 of the original price after less than 2 years on the road..... and certainly not due to low offer at least not around this area.

Good luck and may you make the choice that you deem best for yourself and which will satisfy you during many rides to come!
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snareman nice colour choice! The one BIG difference is the V8 engine. I went from a 640d (more torque than the 640i) to the m850i. The V8 is just unlimited, effortless power and when you plant your foot it turns into a beast. Do you want a V8, yes or no? That’s your decision.
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Well, my dealer visit was a bit of a bust. I think they had six 8's including 2 M8 comps. Walked around the dealer for an hour around 2pm looking at them and getting in the one in the showroom with nary a person even saying hi to me. Pretty sure I was the only customer there for awhile. As I was leaving I asked if they were slow because I'd been looking at the 8's for an hour and no one seemed to notice me let alone ask if I needed help. The guy replied that sales associates are by appointment. I'd never heard of such a thing. You see a guy looking at some of the most expensive cars you have and don't even think I know he doesn't have an appointment, but maybe he's interested in one. I should go see. Sure, I suppose I could have just asked for help but who ever has to ask for a sales guy at a car dealership? I at least got a good look at the cars, but eventually became rather disgusted with the dealership and left. So much for driving them. I will say the 8's were a little larger than I remember them from driving them in Indy. My dealer is going to work on some numbers for me this week.
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For some reason I didn't take a picture of the M8 Comps they had. I was going to try for a deal on that car with one mirror and one grille but apparently they didn't want to sell me that either.
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Many dealers have shifted to appointment only as part of COVID. That might explain your experience.

While I can't say from experience, my guess is the 840i has noticeably improved handling over the M850i. 450lbs less, better weight distribution (52% on front wheels vs 55%), and RWD will transform a driving experience. Obviously you lose out on power and sound so just depends what you value.

I found this Car and Driver article valuable.

Doesn't answer your question about equipment but at a minimum shows that 840i has a lot of positives
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thestanmam said it; but dealerships have taken a big hit since COVID.
my high school buddies are a mechanic and a sales agent for BMW. the SA was furloughed for 4 months and the mechanic was/is furloughed for 8 months.
talking to them, it appears most bmw dealerships in this area were cut about 50% across the board.

less service, less sales, less agents, less commissions, less everything.

As if BMW services wasn't bad already, it's bound to be much worst for the foreseeable future.
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Many dealers have shifted to appointment only as part of COVID. That might explain your experience.

While I can't say from experience, my guess is the 840i has noticeably improved handling over the M850i. 450lbs less, better weight distribution (52% on front wheels vs 55%), and RWD will transform a driving experience. Obviously you lose out on power and sound so just depends what you value.

I found this Car and Driver article valuable.

Doesn't answer your question about equipment but at a minimum shows that 840i has a lot of positives
I agree on the COVID aspect impacting dealers but one would think at least someone would approach during a hour visit to at least say "hi" and explain the situation. Better to make a contact with anyone looking at cars in this economy vs just flat out ignoring them.

Good article and it definitely outlines some positives of the 840i. Given a bit extra weight on the GC one would expect the Coupe snareman is considering would even be a bit more peppy and a little better handling to boot.

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I feel like I'd do 840i xdrive or M8 Comp. I don't really see the 850i has a place in the market now that the M8 has come out.

This is for some of the reasons people have mentioned above, the 840i xdrive is so much lighter and more nimble and so on.
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For some reason I didn't take a picture of the M8 Comps they had. I was going to try for a deal on that car with one mirror and one grille but apparently they didn't want to sell me that either.
Was the Sunset Orange a used (or CPO). Can't zoom enough to see the paper in the window but looks like it may be and if so a potential deal with the right negotiation. I've always loved the color but could never see one in person prior to ordering. Looks like this one has the full shadowline exterior plus the carbon fiber roof.
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I feel like I'd do 840i xdrive or M8 Comp. I don't really see the 850i has a place in the market now that the M8 has come out.

This is for some of the reasons people have mentioned above, the 840i xdrive is so much lighter and more nimble and so on.
Only $60k difference between the 840 and M8 Comp. I'd do the Comp in a heartbeat if I could afford it.
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Was the Sunset Orange a used (or CPO). Can't zoom enough to see the paper in the window but looks like it may be and if so a potential deal with the right negotiation. I've always loved the color but could never see one in person prior to ordering. Looks like this one has the full shadowline exterior plus the carbon fiber roof.
Yea, it was a 2019 CPO 850. It'd definitely an interesting color. I'd almost consider it, although I'd have to consider if I could do the color long term and I'd want the newer tech that has been introduced since 2019 with Android Auto. It's a 2019, but only 680 miles for $92.8k. Doesn't sound all too bad. Wonder who turned it in after so few miles or if it was some kind of test/loaner car. My dealer certainly doesn't have 8 series loaners.

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Many dealers have shifted to appointment only as part of COVID. That might explain your experience.
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thestanmam said it; but dealerships have taken a big hit since COVID.
my high school buddies are a mechanic and a sales agent for BMW. the SA was furloughed for 4 months and the mechanic was/is furloughed for 8 months.
talking to them, it appears most bmw dealerships in this area were cut about 50% across the board.

less service, less sales, less agents, less commissions, less everything.

As if BMW services wasn't bad already, it's bound to be much worst for the foreseeable future.
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I agree on the COVID aspect impacting dealers but one would think at least someone would approach during a 8 hour visit to at least say "hi" and explain the situation. Better to make a contact with anyone looking at cars in this economy vs just flat out ignoring them.
Yea, I agree. They may have gone to appointments, but if you see a guy there looking at cars and there are no other customers maybe go and see if he's interested in one because maybe he doesn't know about the appointment thing.

I left a less than glowing review of the dealer on google reviews as I saw that they were responding to the negative ones. They responded apologizing for my experience and said that they'd contact me tomorrow to bring a car to me to not inconvenience me any further. I appreciate the response, service recovery and thought, although I doubt they are going to want to bring a car with 14 miles 40 minutes to me and overall add about 100 miles to it. We'll see.
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Yea, it was a 2019 CPO 850. It'd definitely an interesting color. I'd almost consider it, although I'd have to consider if I could do the color long term and I'd want the newer tech that has been introduced since 2019 with Android Auto. It's a 2019, but only 680 miles for $92.8k. Doesn't sound all too bad. Wonder who turned it in after so few miles or if it was some kind of test/loaner car. My dealer certainly doesn't have 8 series loaners.

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It may be the same as my M850i . There was an issue with the reader where you were unable to programme the digital keys and also charge the phone. The garage had it for 6 weeks and were unable to fix the issue ( even though they didn't even try replacing the reader ). After this time they and BMW offered me all my money back. I traded up to an M8C and now I see the car has appeared at a different dealership 150 miles away for £10k less than I payed for it.
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Back to the original question this is one answer as the 840i even in M Sport does not include Adaptive M Suspension Professional with Active Roll Stabilization nor M Sport brakes plus even more so the carbon core that the M850i shares with the M8. You can also add a CF roof which lowers the overall center of gravity but it will add $3K to the price which I originally balked on in favor of the B&W audio but am glad I ultimately chose both. So it is more than just the amazing N63 engine but to the OPs point is the cost differential worth it?
Are you sure the 840i doesn't have the Carbon Core? I have an 840i and have a Carbon Core badge on my B pillar...
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Yea, it was a 2019 CPO 850. It'd definitely an interesting color. I'd almost consider it, although I'd have to consider if I could do the color long term and I'd want the newer tech that has been introduced since 2019 with Android Auto. It's a 2019, but only 680 miles for $92.8k. Doesn't sound all too bad. Wonder who turned it in after so few miles or if it was some kind of test/loaner car. My dealer certainly doesn't have 8 series loaners.

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Totally get the color being "interesting" and the long-term aspects. I never discounted it on my short list initially as it has enough red in it vs the potential polarizing true orange colors out on the market. In fact although that it makes a prospective buyer's choice on a color BMW did chose it and Barcelona Blue for all the press releases, etc. for the 2019 M850i launch materials. I've had the chance to see it on a M2 post facto and it is at least in my opinion stunning and not overstated.

For my initial builds Sunset Orange was the exterior but I chose Tartufo/Black for the interior. The CPO in question has an black interior so you'll need to consider that from your personal desires in the equation. I ran the VIN number and it has all the packages required to make it the equivalent of a 2020/2021. It even has the Anthracite roof liner which adds to the overall luxury of the interior.

Tech wise the 2019s with the right packages (which is has) are equivalent to a 2020/2021 minus one aspect that can be coded, i.e., enabling the center console to display what the car "sees" when in full Drivers Assistance mode. You can get Android auto on a 2019 and in fact the first member on the forum to get it is actually a 2019 M850i owner. Lastly the only thing you will not be able to get just like a 2020 is the iOS Digital Key which is exclusive to the 2021s. I for one am not losing any sleep over that as it is not in anyway equivalent to the comfort access features via the standard key fob.
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