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      05-09-2019, 10:00 AM   #45
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"This allows the driver to choose between a comfort-oriented perception of the braking process and a particularly direct, instantaneous response to applications of the pedal"

Unusual direction by BMW product planners and engineers. Consistent brake feel is essential for safety because in emergency situations muscle memory takes over. The driver will not have time to first determine which mode the brakes are subject to. Again - very unusual ...
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Correct. That is what this is. There is no brake booster in the car. The new G20 also has this setup as well ( a product specialist showed it to me on the M340 ). Drive by wire throttle. Electric steering. fake engine sound. Electric parking brake. And now .. Drive by wire brakes.. We are being ushered toward the e vehicle
So you are saying M340 has brake by wire as well?
Yep. Go look under the hood. There is no brake booster.
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Yep. Go look under the hood. There is no brake booster.
Anecdotally, I have noticed that in traffic the braking is smoother and less grabby in Comfort mode than in Sport mode on my G20 330i. I thought I was imagining but I'm now wondering if this is something that's designed in even if there is no specific brake feel adjustment.
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Does this mean brake-by-wire is coming now?

I hope not.
This new M8 has a "semi brake by wire" system in that the link between the brake pedal and master/central brake actuator is fully electronic (wires & electronic signals) but from there, the link between the master brake actuator and the individual brake calipers at each wheel is hydraulic with electronic controls.

In a truly full brake by wire system, the link from the brake pedal all the way to the individual brake calipers at each wheel is fully electronic/digital. That would mean that the brake pads on the brake calipers would have to be activated by electric motors rather than hydraulic pressure. Believe me, though such a system is not ready for "prime time" yet, things are definitely heading in that direction.
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This car looks fantastic. I'm sure the official version will be almost similar if not identical to the leaked photos a few months back- which doesn't bother me one bit. Great looking car. The tech and the giant digital dash is very "Aventador-like" and looks absolutely stunning. The M performance carbon parts and exhaust with a nice drop on this will def be a looker...at 200k

In the market for a sedan though, so the big coupe isn't a fit for me- can't wait for the flood of the barely used M5 competitions to hit the market when this drops.
That's insane. You're looking at Turbo S, 458, GT3RS, R8 V10+ territory there.

This car does look promising, but not for more than 150k MSRP. anything beyond that and people will be more drawn to the cars I mentioned, IMO.
I agree with you that there are lots of other cars to get but I doubt this is going to reach $200k territory. That would be so silly for BMW to do.

Here are my thoughts on pricing.
The M760i starts at $157,700 before D&H while the M850i starts at $111,900 again before D&H with the Convertible $10k more. Even though they are not real M cars it should give us a basis of pricing between the two models.

The M8 is supposed to be BMW's new flagship model but it doesn't have the expensive V12 that the M760i has. Therefore I think the non GC, Convertible and non competition models should be around $140k. And with full options this car could reach $150k easily.
No v12 🏎🦄. Too bad they never made the first M8 ... maybe it's time.

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That sums it up nicely--I'll take a Gran Coupe, custom build and European delivery, please... where do I sign.
I saw the Gran Coupe running around Garmisch last week, it looks really good even in camo. The duck bill like spoiler was immediately noticeable from the side profile view.
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Adjusting brakes is for track use.

M8 is shaping up to be one of BMWs best cars IMO.
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Need more info on what actually happens when adjusting "Chassis settings "



I like the idea of a track mode to quickly remove the nannies.. I hope it also eliminates TPMS tire pressure nannies.
I agree, but still hope they have retained the suspension, throttle and steering shortcuts somewhere as I often make quick adjustments while on the move.

Can’t wait to drive it and hope it will not be just a coupe version of the M5.
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(Competition?) wheel design straight from the Concept


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Hopefully, the M8 is going to be more impressive on the street than the M8 GTE has been at the track the last two seasons.
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Correct. That is what this is. There is no brake booster in the car. The new G20 also has this setup as well ( a product specialist showed it to me on the M340 ). Drive by wire throttle. Electric steering. fake engine sound. Electric parking brake. And now .. Drive by wire brakes.. We are being ushered toward the e vehicle
Certainly seems that way everything is slowly being turned over to electronics so you're not applying the force directly so to speak, that way the systems will be easier to automate.

I think this is a Bosch system they are using.
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(Competition?) wheel design straight from the Concept
Here you go (source: here):





Compare with BMW 2002 Hommage Concept wheels. Though different: same lines but more V-shaped instead of U-shaped + Y-shape angle is >90° instead of <90°:

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Not the same actually. The 5 double spoke 'star' that sits on the top level is quite similar on both wheel designs: outwards converging spokes on both. However the 5 double spoke 'star' that's beneath it differs: slightly outwards diverging spokes on the M8C, versus outwards converging spokes on this design.

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nothing else matters now that we see how progressively effed up the BMW cockpit is becoming. 2 tachometers?? what? a joke for a 'flagship'. what a joke. $100usd for a barely better 3er.
2 identical tachs. What a stupid idea. I know bmw tried their hardest to look different than Mercedes and Audi's centre rounded tach. But why? Rounded tach at in the middle is supercar setup. It is good. BMW tried to be different but failed epically.
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BMW ///M: Creating modes for things you didn't know you needed different modes for.

How about less modes and electronic nannies and less weight and get back to making "The Ultimate Driving Machine"
BMW is totally trying to upsell on Tech, and interior seating...

... these settings and modes will be used a lot more by M2 and M4 drivers than M8 drivers... but it probably will be a while before any trickle down to the plebeian models.


The new system brings together the brake activation, brake booster and braking control functions within a compact module. The integrated braking system reduces weight by around two kilograms and employs a vacuum-free brake booster to enhance the car's overall efficiency. The brake pressure required is triggered by an electric actuator, which allows it to be generated more dynamically and also ensures significantly faster and more precise interventions from the driving stability control system.

The integrated braking system also does an excellent job of allowing vehicle deceleration to be geared precisely to the driver's requirements and of generating sublime pedal feel in any situation. Braking feedback to the driver is unimpaired by wet road surfaces, significant lateral acceleration or high brake temperatures, and this ensures precise metering of braking power at all times. The version of the new braking system developed for BMW M models also presents the driver with two pedal feel settings.



let's hope the Electronic braking setup is better tuned than BMW EPS.. I would hate to lose brake pedal feel ALSO..
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let's hope the Electronic braking setup is better tuned than BMW EPS.. I would hate to lose brake pedal feel ALSO..
You're going to be disappointed. When in recent memory has anything that has gone electronic not sucked on the first few iterations?

They're still sorting out the EPS after how many years and updates? I don't understand when you have other companies like Porsche who seem to have come very close to what hydraulic steering was.
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This car looks fantastic. I'm sure the official version will be almost similar if not identical to the leaked photos a few months back- which doesn't bother me one bit. Great looking car. The tech and the giant digital dash is very "Aventador-like" and looks absolutely stunning. The M performance carbon parts and exhaust with a nice drop on this will def be a looker...at 200k

In the market for a sedan though, so the big coupe isn't a fit for me- can't wait for the flood of the barely used M5 competitions to hit the market when this drops.
That's insane. You're looking at Turbo S, 458, GT3RS, R8 V10+ territory there.

This car does look promising, but not for more than 150k MSRP. anything beyond that and people will be more drawn to the cars I mentioned, IMO.
I agree with you that there are lots of other cars to get but I doubt this is going to reach $200k territory. That would be so silly for BMW to do.

Here are my thoughts on pricing.
The M760i starts at $157,700 before D&H while the M850i starts at $111,900 again before D&H with the Convertible $10k more. Even though they are not real M cars it should give us a basis of pricing between the two models.

The M8 is supposed to be BMW's new flagship model but it doesn't have the expensive V12 that the M760i has. Therefore I think the non GC, Convertible and non competition models should be around $140k. And with full options this car could reach $150k easily.
I agree it'll probably be between 140-150k based on your assumptions. After discounts this car will be between 120-130K once the model has been around for 1-2 years. That's very reasonable and probably even a bargain for what this car will be! Especially since it'll be cheaper than an S63
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Artificial braking feel? Uhh....just design it properly from the outset. Heres and idea BMW, why not forget all this electronic braking nonsense and give us proper fixed callipers all round on what are supposed to be your performance cars!!

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Not a fan of these new Tachs. I like the traditional clockwise RPM sweep.
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Your going to be disappointed. When in recent memory has anything that has gone electronic not sucked on the first few iterations?

They're still sorting out the EPS after how many years and updates? I don't understand when you have other companies like Porsche who seem to have come very close to what hydraulic steering was.

This system could be very good, but we'll have to see. I share your concern that it might not be that great on the first attempt.
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