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      07-10-2020, 09:20 PM   #23
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Keep telling yourself that.
Wipe the floor might be hyperbolic, but the last gen GT3 RS is faster than this AMG with 200 hp less (of that time is accurate). Sounds to me like Porsche is punching above their relatively low hp rating and I am a big fan of the AMG GT cars. Nearly bought one, but couldnít bring myself to go through with it. The GT R in green magno is bad ass but the again so is the RS. Both are really at the top of their game.

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      07-10-2020, 09:49 PM   #24
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its like an amg version of a newer viper acr with the extreme aero package. it doesn't look great. the mercedes brand just hasn't been synonymous with extreme performance. it just doesn't go together.
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Wipe the floor might be hyperbolic, but the last gen GT3 RS is faster than this AMG with 200 hp less. Sounds to me like Porsche is punching above their relatively low hp rating and I am a big fan of the AMG GT cars. Nearly bought one, but couldnít bring myself to go through with it. The GT R in green magno is bad ass but the again so is the RS. Both are really at the top of their game.

May I ask how you came to that conclusion when no official figures have been posted for this vehicle? As for the last generation gt3 RS, you just made that up, didn't you?

Since facts and figures matter, when you mentioned Iast generation I assume you are referring to the 991.1 gt3rs.

That could could not even best the AMG gtr pro, so how in heavens name can it be quicker than the black series.

Why not wait until the test are conducted then draw your conclusions.
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in spy videos going round the ring, it sounded so damn quiet - almost like a four-cylinder with OPF and nothing an AMG V8 even with the filters in place.
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May I ask how you came to that conclusion when no official figures have been posted for this vehicle? As for the last generation gt3 RS, you just made that up, didn't you?

Since facts and figures matter, when you mentioned Iast generation I assume you are referring to the 991.1 gt3rs.

That could could not even best the AMG gtr pro, so how in heavens name can it be quicker than the black series.

Why not wait until the test are conducted then draw your conclusions.
I was simply going by the time posted, if correct as a hypothetical.

I was referring to the MK2 3RS which lapped here; 6:56



The AMG GTR Pro here lapped in 7:04

With a massive horsepower upgrade over the GTR pro Iíd expect it could very well be quicker. Maybe even not far off a GT2RS or Aventador SVJ.



Thatís a pretty big delta between the two.
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May I ask how you came to that conclusion when no official figures have been posted for this vehicle? As for the last generation gt3 RS, you just made that up, didn't you?

Since facts and figures matter, when you mentioned Iast generation I assume you are referring to the 991.1 gt3rs.

That could could not even best the AMG gtr pro, so how in heavens name can it be quicker than the black series.

Why not wait until the test are conducted then draw your conclusions.
I was simply going by the time posted, if correct as a hypothetical.

I was referring to the MK2 3RS which lapped here; 6:56



The AMG GTR Pro here lapped in 7:04

With a massive horsepower upgrade over the GTR pro I'd expect it could very well be quicker. Maybe even not far off a GT2RS or Aventador SVJ.



That's a pretty big delta between the two.
Fastabast is claiming 6:58 for the GT-R BS. Whether that is true or not is unknown but I guess we will find out when Mercedes reveals the car in full
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This car handles like a dream, even the previous models are just great for track!
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Older I get the less i like rear wings. Looks a bit too boy racer for me because everyone knows I won't be pushing it hard enough to make use of the aero. If I was to order a GT3 911 i'd get one without the wing.
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Just like the Porsche RS models, not having the wing just defeats the purpose to me.
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Needs a larger wing IMO.
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"Each one of the five AMG Black Series models so far has been an exercise in extreme performance, expensive technology, and extravagant style. And the new AMG GT Black Series tops each one of them: Directly inspired by the AMG GT3 race cars, it is fitted with a 720-hp V-8 engine and a plethora of changes that set it apart sharply from any other AMG GT, including the wild GT R.

Even at first glance, the AMG GT Black Series is a very different animal: The Panamericana-inspired front grille is far larger, angrier, and feeds larger intercoolers compared to the lesser GT models. Carbon fiber is used liberally, including for the hood, roof, hatch, as well as the front and rear facias. The front hood is perforated with large air outlets. An extensive aero package includes a manually adjustable front splitter and rear wing. The wing also features an active aero flap is electronically adjusted by 20 degrees, flattening for greater speeds and inclined to improve braking and control stability. The aggressive bodywork highlights the ultra-wide track and is accentuated with black wheels shod with 285/35ZR-19 front and 335/30ZR-20 rear rubber, which are available in two compounds of the Mercedes-spec Michelin Pilot Cup 2 R tires; the M01A being a softer tire and the M02 being slightly harder. The ostentatious visual package is topped off by AMG "Magmabeam" paint.

The show continues inside, with aggressive bucket seats that provide high lateral support, a microfiber steering wheel, and microfiber door and instrument panels. The grippy material underscores the racing aspirations of the AMG GT Black Series.

The body has been stiffened with carbon-fiber panels up front and abaft, designed to increase stiffness and precise handling. The front axle uses a carbon-fiber anti-roll bar with two adjustment settings. An iron anti-roll bar is used in the rear and has three adjustment settings. The camber is manually adjustable both on the front and rear axle, a true Black Series element that has been present on this family of cars since its inception with a derivative of the SLK. The carbon-ceramic rotors and Black Series specific brake pads that are taken directly from motorsports applications further enhance this car's track capabilities.

None less would do to bring the awesome power to the road: The M178 engine, a twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter V-8, has been modified so extensively that it receives its own identifier, now called the M178 LS2. A major change is the move away from a cross-plane crankshaft. Like Ferraris and Ford Mustang Shelby GT350s, the LS2 uses a lighter, flat-plane crankshaft that spins more freely to allow for even more aggressive throttle response. The revised engine's 7200 rpm redline indicates it doesn't spin much quicker, just 200 rpm more than the GT R. It will be interesting to compare the sound of this engine with lesser versions of the M178 V-8; in the Black Series, the LS2 it features a different firing order to maximize the energy delivered to the turbos by the exhaust pulses. The turbos now house a larger compressor wheel and can deliver up to 24.6 psi of boost, up from the maximum 19.6 psi the GT R can supply. Like the GT R, the Black Series gets the trick 9-mode traction control system that is controlled by a knob centrally located on the dash.

Maximum power is a full 720 horsepower, available from 6700 to 6900 rpm; maximum torque is rated at 590 lb-ft and available on a plateau that stretches from 2000 to 6000 rpm. The power is transmitted to the rear wheels through a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic transmission. The result of all this awesomeness is a Mercedes-AMG claimed zero-to-60 mph time of just 3.1 seconds. Considering we've done the same with far less powerful GT's, we'll believe it. The top speed is a full 202 mph, a figure that, according to AMG, "is only sensible on cordoned-off racetracks."

Really? We hope to be able to drive it on the autobahn at some point. And to celebrate the era of CEO Tobias Moers at AMG, which comes to an end with this car. It's a fitting tribute." - Car and Driver
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The flat plane crank makes sense. The car definitely sounded funky in the Nurburgring open track videos.

No doubt it probably feels explosive in its throttle response.
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Why the nasty 3k weave overlay? Looks old to begin with, which I guess since it's glued to an old Viper makes sense.
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The rear wing supports inside the trunk are very interesting and practical. I can see this being modified to use in many cars today.

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None less would do to bring the awesome power to the road: The M178 engine, a twin-turbocharged 4.0-liter V-8, has been modified so extensively that it receives its own identifier, now called the M178 LS2. A major change is the move away from a cross-plane crankshaft. Like Ferraris and Ford Mustang Shelby GT350s, the LS2 uses a lighter, flat-plane crankshaft that spins more freely to allow for even more aggressive throttle response.
This is the interesting part.
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I dont like it. I like the base version GT-R way more in the looks department
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Maybe it's just me, but never been a fan of that cars looks....the proportions are just wrong

Looks like trying to drive with a pool table strapped to the hood with that ridiculously long nose.....pass
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meh... GT3 will wipe the floor with this pretender racer. Merc should stick to luxury vehicles for their 60+ customers.
And yet BMW can't build a quicker track car. M4 GTS or this?
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And yet BMW can't build a quicker track car. M4 GTS or this?
M4 GTS is in a completely different price range, canít compare. Also, BMW is not about expensive sports or track cars. They are great at making affordable sleepers with everyday usability and best-in-class performance.
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meh... GT3 will wipe the floor with this pretender racer. Merc should stick to luxury vehicles for their 60+ customers.
And yet BMW can't build a quicker track car. M4 GTS or this?
Its really a shame that BMW wasted their time making the i8 and 8-series instead of a true flagship/halo car for the brand to compete with the AMG GT and Audi R8.
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its like an amg version of a newer viper acr with the extreme aero package. it doesn't look great. the mercedes brand just hasn't been synonymous with extreme performance. it just doesn't go together.
Never been about extreme performance yet the:

CLK GTR
CLK63 Black Series
CLK DTM AMG
SLR 722
SL65 Black Series
SLS Black Series
C63 Black Series
GT R/GT R Pro
GT R Black Series

all exist with the AMG One still to come.

What has BMW done in the meantime? The only manufacturers that can really compete with that list are Porsche/Ferrari and maybe Lamborghini.
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