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      07-14-2020, 01:53 PM   #133
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Ha ha ha reading threads like this convince me that automotive exterior design is probably one of the most thankless jobs on the planet. Every person has their own opinion on what's right/wrong that no singular design could ever satisfy.
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Why do you think so? For starters to have it handle at all it needs 6000 dollars with of suspension upgrades and alignment. Lol if your talking m2 race car well that is much better. It handles as it should over bumps.
You are totally right! If you want to race it on a track constantly you need some upgrades.
I do not relate M cars as race cars (there are track focused cars), but sport cars to race occasionally, thats just me.
As an overall M car, the M2 stands out, i m h o.
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      07-14-2020, 04:21 PM   #135
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The size looks perfect. I always felt the 2 series was a tad too small and interior fairly cramped. This looks slightly larger and better proportioned which would make it about the size of the E46 coupe. Hopefully BMW give it a better quality interior, fit and finish than the current 2.

A smaller G series chassis paired with an S58 motor in RWD format sounds promising!
I have an E46 Coupe. The current 2er and the E46 are almost identical in practically every dimension. Width, length, height, legroom, rear seat headroom ... everything but the damn gas tank.
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Not a real M car, as produced in Mexico, all real M cars are produced in Munich. As I always said M2 is not a real M car and unfortunately I own one.

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I would say your car is one of the best M cars ever produced, specially the Competition, wherever it is made. Lucky you!
The M2 is a small car but it's essentially the same weight (see HERE and HERE) as the bigger F80 M3 (both cars in Competition form). Not exactly a good thing for "one of the best M cars ever produced."
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Although there's many elements I don't like about it, you can only go so far rehashing decades-old design cues. That's why the E60/E65/E90, for better or for worse, were such important cars. Obviously they didn't totally do away with things like the quad beam headlights and kink on them, but I think BMW is going through something similar again now.

Could they done this 2 with a little more "grace" though? Yeah.
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      07-15-2020, 08:03 AM   #138
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The M2 is a small car but it's essentially the same weight (see HERE and HERE) as the bigger F80 M3 (both cars in Competition form). Not exactly a good thing for "one of the best M cars ever produced."
Are you the type of person that would overly focus on the ankles of a stunningly good looking person? It's on the heavy side but the reality is that it's extremely capable, fun to drive, considered by most as the best M car today, and a general automotive media darling.
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      07-15-2020, 08:15 AM   #139
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It isn't fat, it's big boned.

Unfortunately as SUVs are getting larger and heavier, cars have to as well to keep up with safety ratings. We're stuck in a feedback loop. Cars get bigger to keep up, the SUVs have to get bigger because it has to be bigger.
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      07-15-2020, 12:21 PM   #140
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The size looks perfect. I always felt the 2 series was a tad too small and interior fairly cramped. This looks slightly larger and better proportioned which would make it about the size of the E46 coupe. Hopefully BMW give it a better quality interior, fit and finish than the current 2.

A smaller G series chassis paired with an S58 motor in RWD format sounds promising!
I agree this is heading for perfection right now.
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Please BMW don't ruin the next M2 like the new 4 series, the current M2 and M2C are perfect as they are. I don't like the first impression of the next 2 series, the front kind of looks like an exaggerated 1 series F hatchback, and the rear like the Chevrolet Cavalier sold in South America (see pic). I'm really disliking the new BMW designs, it appears they are losing the bulldog stance and sporty presence. It looks like they have ran out of design ideas and just add unnecessary lines and creases everywhere that don't make any sense just so it looks "modern" and different (look at the rear bumper diffuser, what the hell is going on?). The designs are not clean and simple, it all seems very forced. It kind of feels like they haven't decided which way to go with the design so they mixed the Audi sharp lines with the Mercedes curvy lines and ended up with a mess without any identity. I guess they are just focused in stealing new clients from other brands and not maintaining their current clients going by what I read in most of the forum feedback of the 2 and 4 series.
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Please BMW don't ruin the next M2 like the new 4 series, the current M2 and M2C are perfect as they are. I don't like the first impression of the next 2 series, the front kind of looks like an exaggerated 1 series F hatchback, and the rear like the Chevrolet Cavalier sold in South America (see pic). I'm really disliking the new BMW designs, it appears they are losing the bulldog stance and sporty presence. It looks like they have ran out of design ideas and just add unnecessary lines and creases everywhere that don't make any sense just so it looks "modern" and different (look at the rear bumper diffuser, what the hell is going on?). The designs are not clean and simple, it all seems very forced. It kind of feels like they are haven't decided which way to go with the design so they mixed the Audi sharp lines with the Mercedes curvy lines and ended up with a mess without any identity. I guess they are just focused in stealing new clients from other brands and not maintaining their current clients going by what I read in most of the forum feedback of the 2 and 4 series.
The biggest shock to me about this post is that Chevy is still using the Cavalier nameplate on a car!
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Anyone else extremely skeptical that this is the next 2er? The design looks outdated, even for BMW's outgoing design language. I can't see them unveiling something like this in a couple years and then keeping it around for another 7 or 8 years. The taillights have a nearly identical shape to the E90s lol. I feel like this is going to be some non-North America model or something...
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Anyone else extremely skeptical that this is the next 2er? The design looks outdated, even for BMW's outgoing design language. I can't see them unveiling something like this in a couple years and then keeping it around for another 7 or 8 years. The taillights have a nearly identical shape to the E90s lol. I feel like this is going to be some non-North America model or something...
the spy shots look to match these leaked photos. Until further proof comes out, this is likely the next 2er.
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Anyone else extremely skeptical that this is the next 2er? The design looks outdated, even for BMW's outgoing design language. I can't see them unveiling something like this in a couple years and then keeping it around for another 7 or 8 years. The taillights have a nearly identical shape to the E90s lol. I feel like this is going to be some non-North America model or something...
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the spy shots look to match these leaked photos. Until further proof comes out, this is likely the next 2er.
There seemed to be solid consensus those are pics of a clay model in an elevator at the BMW development center. I don't think we've seen the final design details.
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I am so confused, if thats the 2 series what is this. Bmw has wildly different versions for gran coupe and regular coupe? Since when and why? Or is bmw just going to redesign a car that is not even out yet?
Interesting.......
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I just hope the new M2 doesn't become more porky.
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I just hope the new M2 doesn't become more porky.
It will be heavier and have more power to compensate. :
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It will be heavier and have more power to compensate. :
F = M x A.

No getting around physics.
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I got excited when I saw the dual exhausts (albeit the "fake" tips instead of round) thinking it would indicate a B58 engine in the 240 replacement ... but then I remembered and double checked that the new "M235i" has two tail pipes but has a B48 engine.

And no word on manual so I'm still holding out hope.
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I got excited when I saw the dual exhausts (albeit the "fake" tips instead of round) thinking it would indicate a B58 engine in the 240 replacement ... but then I remembered and double checked that the new "M235i" has two tail pipes but has a B48 engine.

And no word on manual so I'm still holding out hope.
I think Manual will be 100% M only at this point going forward.
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I got excited when I saw the dual exhausts (albeit the "fake" tips instead of round) thinking it would indicate a B58 engine in the 240 replacement ... but then I remembered and double checked that the new "M235i" has two tail pipes but has a B48 engine.

And no word on manual so I'm still holding out hope.
Most consistent US speculation seems to be B48 (Core), B58 (new iteration possible - M Performance), S58 (detuned - M2) & manual M2 only.
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