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      09-18-2019, 11:14 AM   #67
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It looks heavier and less elegant than the 6 Series Grand Coupe. I think it's an adaptation to the more bulky and over-accented approach popular in China that somehow reflects the driver's importance.
That's what the new front grills are all about as well. I saw it lately on the 7 Series and I it looks horrible to me. But I'm not interested in all those types of business cars anyway.
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It looks heavier and less elegant than the 6 Series Grand Coupe. I think it's an adaptation to the more bulky and over-accented approach popular in China that somehow reflects the driver's importance.
That's what the new front grills are all about as well. I saw it lately on the 7 Series and I it looks horrible to me. But I'm not interested in all those types of business cars anyway.
6GC will always be a special car in my opinion when it comes to design. I think of it like the E46, where it can't be replicated or beaten design wise by any future models. (I still like the looks of the 8GC, but nothing will ever likely beat the 6GC)

The 6GC (particularly in M-Sport/full M) is timeless!
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GC looks better than the coupe IMO
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Love how extended that red interior is.. a couple quick questions...
- what actually is the difference between this and the 6 series? 8 is just the new 6?
- with how much these cars have been increasing in price, do they depreciate the same in aggregate? Just trying to figure out how to justify spending $120k, it feels like the increases have seriously been outpacing inflation
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Love how extended that red interior is.. a couple quick questions...
- what actually is the difference between this and the 6 series? 8 is just the new 6?
- with how much these cars have been increasing in price, do they depreciate the same in aggregate? Just trying to figure out how to justify spending $120k, it feels like the increases have seriously been outpacing inflation
Oh my ...

Yes, you do need some catching up.

bmw decided to cancel the 6 series and make a 6 series GT, which no one really likes much and there are rumors it is already dead.

Meanwhile, they made a bigger car , really upped their game on the interior including the seats, added rear wheel steering , refused to design in a Hoffmeister kink, and upped the price tag and named it the 8er that we've always wanted since back in the 90s.

And we will even get an M8
And an M8 competition !
And M8 and M8 C grand coupes!!
And (probably ) an M8 CS ....


meanwhile ..... true 6 series aficionados should consider the current or the next 4 series, which will certainly be priced and sized more in accordance with what a 6 series (used to ) should be.

As far as depreciation on the 8 series .. let's just say it depreciates like a more expensive 7er than a 6er...

If you have to ask me how I know .. see my user ID. I've paid for plenty of wet 8ers this year already.
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This is the first thing that would be gone if I got this from this dealership. Looks really tacky.
It peels off no problem.
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The 6er GC was one of the most stunning cars in the line-up, particularly in M trim. I'm not sure this lives up as a successor but I'd need to see it in the flesh.
I haven't seen this in the flesh but when I saw the coupe version, pictures really don't do this car justice.
I hope you are right- can anyone tell me why "dark shadow" paint is used for the diffuser? Can't we just have dark matte gray plastic? It just has looked wrong for over a decade...
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Love how extended that red interior is.. a couple quick questions...
- what actually is the difference between this and the 6 series? 8 is just the new 6?
- with how much these cars have been increasing in price, do they depreciate the same in aggregate? Just trying to figure out how to justify spending $120k, it feels like the increases have seriously been outpacing inflation
Oh my ...

Yes, you do need some catching up.

bmw decided to cancel the 6 series and make a 6 series GT, which no one really likes much and there are rumors it is already dead.

Meanwhile, they made a bigger car , really upped their game on the interior including the seats, added rear wheel steering , refused to design in a Hoffmeister kink, and upped the price tag and named it the 8er that we've always wanted since back in the 90s.

And we will even get an M8
And an M8 competition !
And M8 and M8 C grand coupes!!
And (probably ) an M8 CS ....


meanwhile ..... true 6 series aficionados should consider the current or the next 4 series, which will certainly be priced and sized more in accordance with what a 6 series (used to ) should be.

As far as depreciation on the 8 series .. let's just say it depreciates like a more expensive 7er than a 6er...

If you have to ask me how I know .. see my user ID. I've paid for plenty of wet 8ers this year already.
Agreed - PM sent.

Sorry for the late reply.
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Love how extended that red interior is.. a couple quick questions...
- what actually is the difference between this and the 6 series? 8 is just the new 6?
- with how much these cars have been increasing in price, do they depreciate the same in aggregate? Just trying to figure out how to justify spending $120k, it feels like the increases have seriously been outpacing inflation
Oh my ...

Yes, you do need some catching up.

bmw decided to cancel the 6 series and make a 6 series GT, which no one really likes much and there are rumors it is already dead.

Meanwhile, they made a bigger car , really upped their game on the interior including the seats, added rear wheel steering , refused to design in a Hoffmeister kink, and upped the price tag and named it the 8er that we've always wanted since back in the 90s.

And we will even get an M8
And an M8 competition !
And M8 and M8 C grand coupes!!
And (probably ) an M8 CS ....


meanwhile ..... true 6 series aficionados should consider the current or the next 4 series, which will certainly be priced and sized more in accordance with what a 6 series (used to ) should be.

As far as depreciation on the 8 series .. let's just say it depreciates like a more expensive 7er than a 6er...

If you have to ask me how I know .. see my user ID. I've paid for plenty of wet 8ers this year already.
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Love how extended that red interior is.. a couple quick questions...
- what actually is the difference between this and the 6 series? 8 is just the new 6?
- with how much these cars have been increasing in price, do they depreciate the same in aggregate? Just trying to figure out how to justify spending $120k, it feels like the increases have seriously been outpacing inflation
Oh my ...

Yes, you do need some catching up.

bmw decided to cancel the 6 series and make a 6 series GT, which no one really likes much and there are rumors it is already dead.

Meanwhile, they made a bigger car , really upped their game on the interior including the seats, added rear wheel steering , refused to design in a Hoffmeister kink, and upped the price tag and named it the 8er that we've always wanted since back in the 90s.

And we will even get an M8
And an M8 competition !
And M8 and M8 C grand coupes!!
And (probably ) an M8 CS ....


meanwhile ..... true 6 series aficionados should consider the current or the next 4 series, which will certainly be priced and sized more in accordance with what a 6 series (used to ) should be.

As far as depreciation on the 8 series .. let's just say it depreciates like a more expensive 7er than a 6er...

If you have to ask me how I know .. see my user ID. I've paid for plenty of wet 8ers this year already.
Thanks for the quick run down!

That sounds awesome, especially the M8 CS part... but the expensive 7 series depreciation sounds a tough pill to swallow. I guess I'll watch these big boy toys from the sidelines for the time being
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So what does the 8GC compete with??? I feel like its a lot more expensive than an A7/CLS, but still similar in size? Or does it maybe compete with the AMG GT 4D?
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really cannot get excited about the 8, the hype has not materialised, I fear my M6GC will my last BMW, reserve final judgement for the M8GC, but just not connecting with it, highly disspointed

How is the 8 better looking than this
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really cannot get excited about the 8, the hype has not materialised, I fear my M6GC will my last BMW, reserve final judgement for the M8GC, but just not connecting with it, highly disspointed

How is the 8 better looking than this
Lets be honest, the 6GC is peak BMW when it comes to design. Its up there with the E46 and E39, most newer BMW will likely never beat this. Not to say the 8GC isn't good looking, it is, but it'll never reach the levels of the 6GC.
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So what does the 8GC compete with??? I feel like its a lot more expensive than an A7/CLS, but still similar in size? Or does it maybe compete with the AMG GT 4D?
It's still in that range of A7 & CLS. Only difference is you'll probably get a prestige A7 for the GC base price. Same for CLS. I see depreciation in the future making them all near same price point. Maybe Panamera is the closest competitor in terms of pricing.
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So what does the 8GC compete with??? I feel like its a lot more expensive than an A7/CLS, but still similar in size? Or does it maybe compete with the AMG GT 4D?
It's still in that range of A7 & CLS. Only difference is you'll probably get a prestige A7 for the GC base price. Same for CLS. I see depreciation in the future making them all near same price point. Maybe Panamera is the closest competitor in terms of pricing.
Yeah, my CLS is mostly loaded (missing a few little options) but flies right under the 6 figure mark. A base M850i is $108k and loaded seems to be $123k. While the CLS isn't as fast and lacks the 2 extra cylinders that the bimmer has, I still don't know about whether I'd be willing to jump $25k in price for a similarly optioned M850GC, although the 840 is always an option I guess...

Luckily I still have 2 years on my lease, but I'm very interested in how the 8GC drives. I'm hoping its more impressive than the M550 that left me disappointed last time I tested it.
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So what does the 8GC compete with??? I feel like its a lot more expensive than an A7/CLS, but still similar in size? Or does it maybe compete with the AMG GT 4D?
It's still in that range of A7 & CLS. Only difference is you'll probably get a prestige A7 for the GC base price. Same for CLS. I see depreciation in the future making them all near same price point. Maybe Panamera is the closest competitor in terms of pricing.
Yeah, my CLS is mostly loaded (missing a few little options) but flies right under the 6 figure mark. A base M850i is $108k and loaded seems to be $123k. While the CLS isn't as fast and lacks the 2 extra cylinders that the bimmer has, I still don't know about whether I'd be willing to jump $25k in price for a similarly optioned M850GC, although the 840 is always an option I guess...

Luckily I still have 2 years on my lease, but I'm very interested in how the 8GC drives. I'm hoping its more impressive than the M550 that left me disappointed last time I tested it.
Yeah I saw plenty of people complaining how the M550i is just a numb rocket. I have high hopes for the M850i. But keep in mind that it's still a very heavy car. I've heard it manages to hide it's weight very good but you still know it's there. BMW will probably save all of the best dynamics for the M8GC but that'll easily touch $150K+
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So what does the 8GC compete with??? I feel like its a lot more expensive than an A7/CLS, but still similar in size? Or does it maybe compete with the AMG GT 4D?
It's still in that range of A7 & CLS. Only difference is you'll probably get a prestige A7 for the GC base price. Same for CLS. I see depreciation in the future making them all near same price point. Maybe Panamera is the closest competitor in terms of pricing.
Yeah, my CLS is mostly loaded (missing a few little options) but flies right under the 6 figure mark. A base M850i is $108k and loaded seems to be $123k. While the CLS isn't as fast and lacks the 2 extra cylinders that the bimmer has, I still don't know about whether I'd be willing to jump $25k in price for a similarly optioned M850GC, although the 840 is always an option I guess...

Luckily I still have 2 years on my lease, but I'm very interested in how the 8GC drives. I'm hoping its more impressive than the M550 that left me disappointed last time I tested it.
Yeah I saw plenty of people complaining how the M550i is just a numb rocket. I have high hopes for the M850i. But keep in mind that it's still a very heavy car. I've heard it manages to hide it's weight very good but you still know it's there. BMW will probably save all of the best dynamics for the M8GC but that'll easily touch $150K+
Yes, thats exactly how I felt driving the M550 (and 5er in general). The powertrain is fantastic and has more than enough power and a good exhaust note. But the steering is completely dead, the body roll in the corners is too noticeable, and the front end is pretty heavy due to the V8, and just it lacks any type of personality.

Thats why I worry for the 8GC, it'll be a heavier car than the already heavy coupe, and the 8er seems to be pretty divided among critics. Some love it, some don't, I remember Jason Cammisa (a car enthusiast and reviewer who has similar opinions to me) slammed the M850 coupe in his review, so it should be interesting to see how the GC does. Guess I'll find out soon!
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So what does the 8GC compete with??? I feel like its a lot more expensive than an A7/CLS, but still similar in size? Or does it maybe compete with the AMG GT 4D?
It's still in that range of A7 & CLS. Only difference is you'll probably get a prestige A7 for the GC base price. Same for CLS. I see depreciation in the future making them all near same price point. Maybe Panamera is the closest competitor in terms of pricing.
Yeah, my CLS is mostly loaded (missing a few little options) but flies right under the 6 figure mark. A base M850i is $108k and loaded seems to be $123k. While the CLS isn't as fast and lacks the 2 extra cylinders that the bimmer has, I still don't know about whether I'd be willing to jump $25k in price for a similarly optioned M850GC, although the 840 is always an option I guess...

Luckily I still have 2 years on my lease, but I'm very interested in how the 8GC drives. I'm hoping its more impressive than the M550 that left me disappointed last time I tested it.
Thing is 840 GC built is same as CLS 53. 840 engine is so underrated you have X5 40 doing 4.7 I'd bet the 840 GC will be down around 4.4 or less same straight line perf as CLS53 but with better handling
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So what does the 8GC compete with??? I feel like its a lot more expensive than an A7/CLS, but still similar in size? Or does it maybe compete with the AMG GT 4D?
It's still in that range of A7 & CLS. Only difference is you'll probably get a prestige A7 for the GC base price. Same for CLS. I see depreciation in the future making them all near same price point. Maybe Panamera is the closest competitor in terms of pricing.
Yeah, my CLS is mostly loaded (missing a few little options) but flies right under the 6 figure mark. A base M850i is $108k and loaded seems to be $123k. While the CLS isn't as fast and lacks the 2 extra cylinders that the bimmer has, I still don't know about whether I'd be willing to jump $25k in price for a similarly optioned M850GC, although the 840 is always an option I guess...

Luckily I still have 2 years on my lease, but I'm very interested in how the 8GC drives. I'm hoping its more impressive than the M550 that left me disappointed last time I tested it.
Thing is 840 GC built is same as CLS 53. 840 engine is so underrated you have X5 40 doing 4.7 I'd bet the 840 GC will be down around 4.4 or less same straight line perf as CLS53 but with better handling
We'll see, the jury is still out on how the 8GC handles in any form, so I'll have to wait for a test drive if one myself and online reviews to pop up soon hopefully. The CLS and E53 handle very well and feel quite agile for their size, and they're numbers are underrated as well (I've seen as low as 4.1 seconds), so the 8GC has quite the competition, plus the 53 series has the super cool electric supercharger and mild hybrid system that fills in boost down low and eliminates the need to turn off auto-stop start.
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really cannot get excited about the 8, the hype has not materialised, I fear my M6GC will my last BMW, reserve final judgement for the M8GC, but just not connecting with it, highly disspointed

How is the 8 better looking than this
Properly badass.


One day when I'm old enough I'll perhaps pick up a 6 GC. I'm Still considering an M2 but to be honest . I like my 1M to much to give up.

Updates on cars are coming faster.. just like phones went from 2 -3 year to a 1 year cycle. However it's come to a point where there isn't a lot much more that's in the new cars to keep them desirable. New tech , new looks , and new warranty is about there is. If the looks don't swing it and if the new tech is nominal.. suddenly your old iPhone .. er.....bimmer isn't so bad and nothing wrong with keeping it.

So.. I say the same to you... keep your current car .. if it wasn't for some minor tech things (many of which can be done in the aftermarket ... ) older Bimmers are just awesome.

PS.. if you ever decide to sell... let me know .. if don't have an M2 ...I'll probably be very interested !
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So what does the 8GC compete with??? I feel like its a lot more expensive than an A7/CLS, but still similar in size? Or does it maybe compete with the AMG GT 4D?
It's still in that range of A7 & CLS. Only difference is you'll probably get a prestige A7 for the GC base price. Same for CLS. I see depreciation in the future making them all near same price point. Maybe Panamera is the closest competitor in terms of pricing.
Yeah, my CLS is mostly loaded (missing a few little options) but flies right under the 6 figure mark. A base M850i is $108k and loaded seems to be $123k. While the CLS isn't as fast and lacks the 2 extra cylinders that the bimmer has, I still don't know about whether I'd be willing to jump $25k in price for a similarly optioned M850GC, although the 840 is always an option I guess...

Luckily I still have 2 years on my lease, but I'm very interested in how the 8GC drives. I'm hoping its more impressive than the M550 that left me disappointed last time I tested it.
Thing is 840 GC built is same as CLS 53. 840 engine is so underrated you have X5 40 doing 4.7 I'd bet the 840 GC will be down around 4.4 or less same straight line perf as CLS53 but with better handling
We'll see, the jury is still out on how the 8GC handles in any form, so I'll have to wait for a test drive if one myself and online reviews to pop up soon hopefully. The CLS and E53 handle very well and feel quite agile for their size, and they're numbers are underrated as well (I've seen as low as 4.1 seconds), so the 8GC has quite the competition, plus the 53 series has the super cool electric supercharger and mild hybrid system that fills in boost down low and eliminates the need to turn off auto-stop start.
I'm still not convinced the 8GC is meant to compete with the CLS. My feeling is it's meant to compete with the AMG GT 53 with 840 GC M sport less expensive and m850 kills AMG gt 53 but at a higher price.

I configured both, M850i is 112k and built AMG 53 was 110k. Same price with the BMW being much much faster and likely better handling.
I haven't driven a M850i GC. I wasn't impressed with the dealers 125k AMG gt 53 at all. Felt it was a ripoff for that price.

M8 GC competes with the AMG GT 63 and 63s
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