[uhaulball]

that a4 looks like a 4door TT... (sexy)

if they lost the darn grille... my next car just might be an audi; i was gonna get an a4 before they decided to redesign the grille ('05)

[nmulax]

Originally Posted by D-Rock

Is that the B8 ?

it's a P-chop of what the B8 A4 COULD look like. It hit the internet over a year ago.

I love the looks of the Audi; hell, I was set on buying the 2.0t Quattro A4 until about 3 weeks prior to ordering it. I could never get comfortable in the Audi's seats, and finally went across the street to check out the e90 (I had always assumed BMW's were too pricey for my bank account).

IMO...(going off looks; cause honestly... that's what first draws you to a car)
A3 > 1 Series
A4 = E90
A5 > E92
A6 < 5 Series
A8 > 7 Series
TT < Z4

[DFW_M]

That is a great looking A4!
However, seems like Audi has the look crisis -- they changed their A4 quite a few times in past few years

[pokerface]

A8 is NOT a clone of the Phaeton. They look very similar, but they were developed separately. A8 is aluminum. Phaeton is not.

[maq]

Originally Posted by jorgex

is too much coincidence... If you see Lexus/Toyota; Acura/Honda; Infiniti/Nissan don't have this kind of coincidence.

You sir are obviously a victim of simply yet effective Japanese marketing. Yes most Audis and VWs share platforms, but the Germans at least try to make them different. Whereas the Japanese just re-badge (literally) their Toyotas, Hondas and Nissans and sell them in America. Every Lexus/Acura/Infiniti sold in America has an identical twin in Japan, but with their parent company's badge.

Platform sharing isn't a "coincidence". It's how big manufacturers save/make money and this trick has been in the book for decades. If you truly believe an Audi is a VW, then a Lambo is also an Audi, a Ferrari is also a Fiat, a Aston Martin is also a Ford/Jaguar...

[jorgex]

Originally Posted by maq

You sir are obviously a victim of simply yet effective Japanese marketing. Yes most Audis and VWs share platforms, but the Germans at least try to make them different. Whereas the Japanese just re-badge (literally) their Toyotas, Hondas and Nissans and sell them in America. Every Lexus/Acura/Infiniti sold in America has an identical twin in Japan, but with their parent company's badge.

Platform sharing isn't a "coincidence". It's how big manufacturers save/make money and this trick has been in the book for decades. If you truly believe an Audi is a VW, then a Lambo is also an Audi, a Ferrari is also a Fiat, a Aston Martin is also a Ford/Jaguar...

Here in Portugal we just have Lexus, I didn’t know the fact of Japanese just re-badge their Toyotas, Hondas and Nissans and sell them to America. In fact Lexus in Europe is not a such popular branch, like the German manufactures. Lexus here has an aggressive campaign to sale theirs cars but is not enough.
About if I believe an Audi is a VW… well they not just share platform is more than that. If you see an original car part from VW Group you will see VW, Audi and Skoda branches, in the same part, that reveal they development their cars together, the major differences are aesthetic, but again they are fantastic cars.
About Ferrari they have complete independence from FIAT Group for creative and car development and you will not see the FIAT branch on a Ferrari part

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by nmulax

IMO...(going off looks; cause honestly... that's what first draws you to a car)

A3 > 1 series
NEW A4 > 3 series sedan
NEW A5 > 3 series coupe
A6 > 5 series
A8 = 7 series
Q7 = X5
TT > Z4

Audi = Win.

[hotsand5]

All Audi's have great looking rear ends

[BMW320i]

Originally Posted by lux.sh

A3 > 1 series
NEW A4 > 3 series sedan
NEW A5 > 3 series coupe
A6 > 5 series
A8 = 7 series
Q7 = X5
TT > Z4

Audi = Win.

ur opinion off course

4 me its the total opposit...

but to be unbiased, here r some things that i strongly think u should consider...
how can u say: new A5> E92 ?? A5 not out yet...
A6 > E60??!!!!!!
Q7 > X5 ?? i wont say that the X5 is much greater
TT > Z4 ?? negotieble

[findtom]

WTF... didn't they just redesign the A4?

[gdnyc]

It is true that Audi and VW shared platforms. Of the new cars coming out now, they are going away from that. The new A4 (B7) has it's own platform as does the Passat.
Most of the "sportier Audi's" S cars, RS cars, are starting to show components from the Lamborghini. If I recall correctly the S8 has a detuned version of the Lamborghini V10.
As for the pics at the top of this topic. Those are not spyshots. They are photochops. I agree those pics have been out for a while.

I do think BMW and Audi are very comparable. The only difference is that most, not all people, buy BMW's because of the name. I am talking from experience in NYC, most people that I know that have bought a BMW say they bought it because it's a BMW. No other reason. It's more of a status symbol.
B7 A4 < E90 I like the rear of the A4 much better than the E90 and E92
A6 > E60
A8 > 7 series

Don't really care for the A3 or 1-series.. I am 6'5" too small for me. HA!

[Nalod]

IF that is the A4 final version it is a great model!

Im sure BMW will cook up a new bumper and tail for year 4 to combat it.

The Latest A4 made strides on the E46 but the E90 kicked it to the curb.

Expect the new A4 to againt pull a bit closer.

Quattros are nice, Audis are great. Love the BMWs AND the Audis.

IM sure Benz will be back too. The next C class looks similar.

Who wins???

The consumer!

[obLu]

I flip flop between Audi and BMW with every car I buy (usually every year to 16mo). I like Audis better as an everyday car, but I love BMW handling.

If Audi quits making their cars so nose heavy *and* continues to reproportion the torque bias toward the rear *and* makes significantly more room in the back seat, I'll probably be jonesin for a 2008 A4.

I liked my 03 A4 interior a hell of a lot better than my e90's ... the look, style and quality of materials was much higher than the e90. But I couldn't get over the nose plow understeer and the backseat was too small for child seats.

Add to that, the Audi dealer here in town treats me about 11ty billion times better than the BMW dealer and Audi becomes a compelling arguement.

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by BMW320i

how can u say: new A5> E92 ?? A5 not out yet...
A6 > E60??!!!!!!
Q7 > X5 ?? i wont say that the X5 is much greater
TT > Z4 ?? negotieble

A5 spy photos show how "real" coupe is like, unlike long, heavy-pig E92.
A6 is definitely better looking than the 5 series. To me, 5 series for your wife, A6 for the husband. M5 for the weekend.
and explain why X5 is "much greater". Audi's 4wd system being superior than the BMW's X-drive, I don't see why X5 is better than the Q7.
Look at Audi's TT. with longer body, same engine and everything, but they were still able to reduce the weight of the car than the previous model. BMWs are just getting piggy everyday.

[Oz]

That spy pics looks very promising and I like it alot.

[tl_boy]

damn thats hot.

i'm not gonna lie, that looks better than the e92/e90.

[BMW320i]

Originally Posted by lux.sh

A5 spy photos show how "real" coupe is like, unlike long, heavy-pig E92.

every single car magazine which tested the 335i said it looks much better in person, and its a revolution in car designs...

Originally Posted by lux.sh

A6 is definitely better looking than the 5 series. To me, 5 series for your wife, A6 for the husband. M5 for the weekend.

ok so that's ur opinion, but i dont think the 5er is less manly in look than the plain A6

Originally Posted by lux.sh

Look at Audi's TT. with longer body, same engine and everything, but they were still able to reduce the weight of the car than the previous model. BMWs are just getting piggy everyday.

u mean the new Audi TT?? so is it about 4 or 5 years newer than the Z4?? so it MUST have better weight technology...

anyway im only saying that most of ur arguement is based on ur preference (mine somehow to)
both are great cars, and both have thier own customers (depends on what u want in ur car)

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by BMW320i

every single car magazine which tested the 335i said it looks much better in person, and its a revolution in car designs...

ok so that's ur opinion, but i dont think the 5er is less manly in look than the plain A6

u mean the new Audi TT?? so is it about 4 or 5 years newer than the Z4?? so it MUST have better weight technology...

anyway im only saying that most of ur arguement is based on ur preference (mine somehow to)
both are great cars, and both have thier own customers (depends on what u want in ur car)

When you read car magazines, you shouldn't focus on what they say about "looks". Because its all matter of preference. I've seen this car in person and was disappointed. I still wouldn't mind having one, don't get me wrong. As for the 5 series, i think it became down to a general consensus that the 5 series can be twisted a bit for much better looks, I was sort of speaking for what others have said about the 5 series. Obviously BMW owners will say any BMW is nice. I surf alot of other brand forums and people usually say 3 series for the bmw, 5 series for Audi, 7 series for Mercedes.

TT's 'technology' is nothing new. aluminum body is integrated by most manufacturers nowdays. Im not comparing TT's lightweight versus Z4. Im talking about the 3 series. We didn't lose any weight, I think we gained some. Perhaps, I doubt Z4 got lighter than Z3? Im not sure. Eitherway, BMW isn't the best for everything. Alot of bimmer fanboys tend to think whatever BMW makes is the benchmark. but hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and I respect that.

[EVO_S4]

this look more real http://www.automobilemag.com/future_..._2009_audi_a4/

[BMW320i]

Originally Posted by lux.sh

When you read car magazines, you shouldn't focus on what they say about "looks". Because its all matter of preference. I've seen this car in person and was disappointed. I still wouldn't mind having one, don't get me wrong. As for the 5 series, i think it became down to a general consensus that the 5 series can be twisted a bit for much better looks, I was sort of speaking for what others have said about the 5 series. Obviously BMW owners will say any BMW is nice. I surf alot of other brand forums and people usually say 3 series for the bmw, 5 series for Audi, 7 series for Mercedes.

TT's 'technology' is nothing new. aluminum body is integrated by most manufacturers nowdays. Im not comparing TT's lightweight versus Z4. Im talking about the 3 series. We didn't lose any weight, I think we gained some. Perhaps, I doubt Z4 got lighter than Z3? Im not sure. Eitherway, BMW isn't the best for everything. Alot of bimmer fanboys tend to think whatever BMW makes is the benchmark. but hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and I respect that.

thanks
in Audi i like the Q7, A8, RS4 (perhaps those which i think i prefer to BMW)

[lux.sh]

Originally Posted by EVO_S4

this look more real http://www.automobilemag.com/future_..._2009_audi_a4/

what the.. TSX headlights with Audi grille?

[Shaveli]

oh my God........unbelievable