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      10-10-2021, 12:55 AM   #1
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M5 lease ends in couple months.....M8 GC?

Thoughts on anyone who has made the switch (limey, anyone else)?

Are we looking at an LCI for the 2023 model year on these, I assume? Seems like anything I want is LCI'ing for 2023....X5M, M8, etc.

M5 lease ends in December which is normally always a great time to get in a new car cheap. Obviously, it's about the opposite case right now. If I'm going to pay the money they are going to charge with the shortage....I probably don't want something that is going to be LCI'ed in a year.

I normally do 24 month leases but BMW has really reduced residuals for 24 month leases in the last 6-9 months (due to shortage) to where it's pretty much not worth it now. Would be 36 month lease I imagine (want to lease in order to maximize tax deductions). Also, I drive like 20-25k miles per year.....so 24 month leases kept me in warranty.
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I'm looking at ordering an M8. I figured if I could somehow get an allocation right now I'd have it in time to park it in my garage for the winter so I figured I'd do a spring delivery. But I'd hate to get a 22 in say April when I could get an LCI in hopefully June allocation permitting. So I'm hoping I can find a dealer with an early allocation when they are announced.
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Unless they're going to bring back the power dome hood..... I'm not interested in an LCI.
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Unless they're going to bring back the power dome hood..... I'm not interested in an LCI.
Well, if you already have an M8 there likely isn't going to be a drastic reason to upgrade, but if you don't have one yet waiting just a few more painful months makes sense. And, the M8 had a powerdome hood? Or are you talking F8x?
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Well, if you already have an M8 there likely isn't going to be a drastic reason to upgrade, but if you don't have one yet waiting just a few more painful months makes sense. And, the M8 had a powerdome hood? Or are you talking F8x?
No I'm talking circa 2014 BMW Ms.
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No I'm talking circa 2014 BMW Ms.
I agree totally. I know it would be a vestigial shape on the hood as it's not needed for the engine, but it made a huge difference with the aggressive appearance of the car. I definitely miss it on my current M4.
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Thoughts on anyone who has made the switch (limey, anyone else)?

Are we looking at an LCI for the 2023 model year on these, I assume? Seems like anything I want is LCI'ing for 2023....X5M, M8, etc.

M5 lease ends in December which is normally always a great time to get in a new car cheap. Obviously, it's about the opposite case right now. If I'm going to pay the money they are going to charge with the shortage....I probably don't want something that is going to be LCI'ed in a year.

I normally do 24 month leases but BMW has really reduced residuals for 24 month leases in the last 6-9 months (due to shortage) to where it's pretty much not worth it now. Would be 36 month lease I imagine (want to lease in order to maximize tax deductions). Also, I drive like 20-25k miles per year.....so 24 month leases kept me in warranty.
I do love the F90 LCI—BMW knocked it out of the park as far as I'm concerned. It's so subtle yet so much of an improvement.

But I won't go back. An M8 GC is a no compromise choice other than (subjective but arguably meaningless given the price point) inception costs.. but even that is becoming a wash these days.
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I do love the F90 LCI—BMW knocked it out of the park as far as I'm concerned. It's so subtle yet so much of an improvement.

But I won't go back. An M8 GC is a no compromise choice other than (subjective but arguably meaningless given the price point) inception costs.. but even that is becoming a wash these days.
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No I'm talking circa 2014 BMW Ms.
2014 M5 and M6 didn't have a power dome either.

Aside from any special models, I think you're just talking the E46-F80 M3s....
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I do love the F90 LCI—BMW knocked it out of the park as far as I'm concerned. It's so subtle yet so much of an improvement.

But I won't go back. An M8 GC is a no compromise choice other than (subjective but arguably meaningless given the price point) inception costs.. but even that is becoming a wash these days.
Saw this the other day and made me chuckle....


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Wow. That's a new one.
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Thoughts on anyone who has made the switch (limey, anyone else)?

Are we looking at an LCI for the 2023 model year on these, I assume? Seems like anything I want is LCI'ing for 2023....X5M, M8, etc.

M5 lease ends in December which is normally always a great time to get in a new car cheap. Obviously, it's about the opposite case right now. If I'm going to pay the money they are going to charge with the shortage....I probably don't want something that is going to be LCI'ed in a year.

I normally do 24 month leases but BMW has really reduced residuals for 24 month leases in the last 6-9 months (due to shortage) to where it's pretty much not worth it now. Would be 36 month lease I imagine (want to lease in order to maximize tax deductions). Also, I drive like 20-25k miles per year.....so 24 month leases kept me in warranty.
I made the switch going from the M5 to the M8 as well...Never really looked back except when I park the M8 GC Comp. And I had a unique F90 (First Edition)

But my switch was last December when things were different pricing wise of course and I bought my M8 ever so slightly used. But even back then, leases were so easily had because of the higher msrp and residual along with a low money factor and gross cap costs (this was the driver with lack of demad, flagship, discounts).

I would actually consider another F90 but it would have to be a CS or a unique LCI. The GC is just an incredible presence on the street. It looks like no other BMW IMHO and has that stance that means "watch the fuck out"

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I would and did the coupe on the M8. GC was not sporty enough for me, car is already big and GC looks and feels even bigger. If its 4door then i would do M5 competition or an Audi RS7 or RS6 simply. Coupe is unique in my opinion, sporty yet classy.
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I would and did the coupe on the M8. GC was not sporty enough for me, car is already big and GC looks and feels even bigger. If its 4door then i would do M5 competition or an Audi RS7 or RS6 simply. Coupe is unique in my opinion, sporty yet classy.
Thanks for your thoughts. Could you explain your opinions a bit, though, like you did for the M8 vs. M8 Gran Coupe.

Specifically, why is the RS7 or RS6 on your list when the M8 GC isn't? Both are substantially slower and less sporty… hence I'm confused. The M5 I understand having had 5 of them (F10s and F90s) but, even then and as mentioned, I'm not ready to go back for the aforementioned reasons.
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Thanks for your thoughts. Could you explain your opinions a bit, though, like you did for the M8 vs. M8 Gran Coupe.

Specifically, why is the RS7 or RS6 on your list when the M8 GC isn't? Both are substantially slower and less sporty… hence I'm confused. The M5 I understand having had 5 of them (F10s and F90s) but, even then and as mentioned, I'm not ready to go back for the aforementioned reasons.
I test drove all 4 cars before i decided. Actually 6 lol Adding M5 comp and E63 to those 4. By the looks i was pretty set on a coupe but RS7 was right there with it. RS7 looks very sporty and felt nicely lighter than GC. In terms of handling. RS6 is a rare gem and that was the attractive part honestly, felt just like the RS7. Didnt feel big on corners. GC felt big and lots of bodyroll on corners compared to the coupe. Coupe felt tighter and way less body roll, acceleration was more fun on the coupe as well. I was very between RS7 and M8 Coupe Comp. It was a tough choice but i had the older gen RS7 and wanted to do M this time. End of the day, its all personal choice. We all like and feel different things on different cars. Cant go wrong with any of those cars, they are all plenty of power and great tech even tho i have to admit Audi interior is pretty sleek touch screens all over haha
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I see the M8 Coupe the same as an 812..... disproportionate to the rear and unbalanced.

I then again also like 9sec trucks so handling isn't exactly my first priority.
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Thanks for your thoughts. Could you explain your opinions a bit, though, like you did for the M8 vs. M8 Gran Coupe.

Specifically, why is the RS7 or RS6 on your list when the M8 GC isn't? Both are substantially slower and less sporty… hence I'm confused. The M5 I understand having had 5 of them (F10s and F90s) but, even then and as mentioned, I'm not ready to go back for the aforementioned reasons.
I test drove all 4 cars before i decided. Actually 6 lol Adding M5 comp and E63 to those 4. By the looks i was pretty set on a coupe but RS7 was right there with it. RS7 looks very sporty and felt nicely lighter than GC. In terms of handling. RS6 is a rare gem and that was the attractive part honestly, felt just like the RS7. Didnt feel big on corners. GC felt big and lots of bodyroll on corners compared to the coupe. Coupe felt tighter and way less body roll, acceleration was more fun on the coupe as well. I was very between RS7 and M8 Coupe Comp. It was a tough choice but i had the older gen RS7 and wanted to do M this time. End of the day, its all personal choice. We all like and feel different things on different cars. Cant go wrong with any of those cars, they are all plenty of power and great tech even tho i have to admit Audi interior is pretty sleek touch screens all over haha
Like you thoughtfully said, it's personal and subjective. I'd love to chat over a beer on this one vs. this forum because it's too nuanced— but that's unlikely since I've no idea where you live.

I (respectfully ) disagree with almost all of your thoughts on the Audis having owned RS7s, too. They're lifeless, lacking in feel and underpowered in this company… in my opinion.

Thanks for your honest thoughts.
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Thoughts on anyone who has made the switch (limey, anyone else)?

Are we looking at an LCI for the 2023 model year on these, I assume? Seems like anything I want is LCI'ing for 2023....X5M, M8, etc.

M5 lease ends in December which is normally always a great time to get in a new car cheap. Obviously, it's about the opposite case right now. If I'm going to pay the money they are going to charge with the shortage....I probably don't want something that is going to be LCI'ed in a year.

I normally do 24 month leases but BMW has really reduced residuals for 24 month leases in the last 6-9 months (due to shortage) to where it's pretty much not worth it now. Would be 36 month lease I imagine (want to lease in order to maximize tax deductions). Also, I drive like 20-25k miles per year.....so 24 month leases kept me in warranty.
I made the switch going from the M5 to the M8 as well...Never really looked back except when I park the M8 GC Comp. And I had a unique F90 (First Edition)

But my switch was last December when things were different pricing wise of course and I bought my M8 ever so slightly used. But even back then, leases were so easily had because of the higher msrp and residual along with a low money factor and gross cap costs (this was the driver with lack of demad, flagship, discounts).

I would actually consider another F90 but it would have to be a CS or a unique LCI. The GC is just an incredible presence on the street. It looks like no other BMW IMHO and has that stance that means "watch the fuck out"

[img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw...-no?authuser=0[/img]
Oh for sure, the F90 LCI is a winner. However, I believe end of production is June 2023 so I don't want to be in an old model 1.5 years into the lease.

Thoughts on AMG GT? I don't like it's based on the E class, though.
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Seeing this thread go off in the weeds like it has(which I love thread derails)

If anyone wants to see how some people over-value their vehicles just cruise through the Dupont Registry Instagram.

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Case and point for the question the AMG GT.... $600k for basically what a 2019 ZR1 could do better at.

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Oh for sure, the F90 LCI is a winner. However, I believe end of production is June 2023 so I don't want to be in an old model 1.5 years into the lease.

Thoughts on AMG GT? I don't like it's based on the E class, though.
I really wanted the AMG GT to work out for me. After spending sometime in one and then getting into an M8 it was a no go. It just doesn't have the same feeling as the M8 does when it comes to control or power. If maybe I could afford the Black Series then yeah. lol It's still a great car but it has its own feel that I wasn't really liking. For me wasn't even about price either they both within a few thousand when I built the models out.
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Oh for sure, the F90 LCI is a winner. However, I believe end of production is June 2023 so I don't want to be in an old model 1.5 years into the lease.

Thoughts on AMG GT? I don't like it's based on the E class, though.
I really wanted the AMG GT to work out for me. After spending sometime in one and then getting into an M8 it was a no go. It just doesn't have the same feeling as the M8 does when it comes to control or power. If maybe I could afford the Black Series then yeah. lol It's still a great car but it has its own feel that I wasn't really liking. For me wasn't even about price either they both within a few thousand when I built the models out.
An AMG GT63S starts at $163K with zero options. You would need to add literally every option on the most expensive M8 (the convertible) to get close to that. Am I missing something?
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Oh for sure, the F90 LCI is a winner. However, I believe end of production is June 2023 so I don't want to be in an old model 1.5 years into the lease.

Thoughts on AMG GT? I don't like it's based on the E class, though.
I borrowed a GT63S for about 3 days when I had my F90 m5 and pre M8. It definitely did not "feel" as fast from a dig and the ride was like running a tank over skulls- now I have great roads and I still could feel the road almost excessively. But I actually dont mind that but others, especially with more adverse streets, would not like it. The exhaust was just as expected from AMG- loud, deep, and rather mopar like it. I have always liked AMG exhaust so this was not a disappointment plus I have had two M177 or 178 engines already (4.0 Hot V) and they are fantastic.

I really dont think I would equate it off the E class although you are right its off the estate chassis I believe. It looks nothing like it and has polarizing looks. To this day the car still catches my eye. The interior with its large screens are nice on the eyes but the functionality of manuevering around the system just isnt as user friendly as the I Drive IMHO. The car sitting still is very very comfortable with really good seats and support. I also was a big fan of the steering wheel and its feel.

It all came down to a game time decision with the M8 GC in contention. The way the GC drove coupled with the S63TU performance and the TCU (not often mentioned) connection with the ZF8 gave it the nod. I had a pretty good deal on the GT63S though (145k cost on an 181k msrp) but that was when things were about as flacid as a 100 year man off viagara.

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An AMG GT63S starts at $163K with zero options. You would need to add literally every option on the most expensive M8 (the convertible) to get close to that. Am I missing something?
You are missing nothing; its price point with normal options is around 175 to 185k with some cars topping 200k--- the GT63S in a normal environment is a very very very soft car. Even at triple net of holdback the car was still more than 25k soft post that deduction back in 2020. Now flip the script and things are crazy and even this car gathers a pretty penny. Its not an excessively produced car and its price point was still too high.
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