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      10-25-2018, 02:06 PM   #23
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Didn't the race version of this car win some races?
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Some Toyota race cars win some races too but I'm not buying a Camry any time soon.
That's different the nascar Camry has a V8 and RWD
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Some Toyota race cars win some races too but I'm not buying a Camry any time soon.
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To be fair, it is 4,400lbs. Not sure how they're gonna make the M8 any lighter. The M850i is the Aston Martin Vanquish of BMW's. More a status symbol and comfortable GT Touring car than a sports car. The M8 will still bit a smidge faster than the F90 M5 though.
Woah. What do you mean by faster than the f90 M5? There is absolutely no way. The f90 has more hp and from what I've seen, it's faster off the line. Perhaps you mean the f10 M5?
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To be fair, it is 4,400lbs. Not sure how they're gonna make the M8 any lighter. The M850i is the Aston Martin Vanquish of BMW's. More a status symbol and comfortable GT Touring car than a sports car. The M8 will still bit a smidge faster than the F90 M5 though.
Woah. What do you mean by faster than the f90 M5? There is absolutely no way. The f90 has more hp and from what I've seen, it's faster off the line. Perhaps you mean the f10 M5?
I said the M8 not the M850i. You misread.
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0-60 in 3.6 seconds and is more than 200lbs lighter than the s63....

please think before you post.
Kids think 0-60 makes a sports car.

please grow up before you post.
Not very many roads with a speed limit of 180 mph. 0 to 60 is what most daily drivers care about. Obviously you occasionally gun it on the highway, but unless you are on a track, 0-60 is a pretty significant factor.👍🏼
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To be fair, it is 4,400lbs. Not sure how they're gonna make the M8 any lighter. The M850i is the Aston Martin Vanquish of BMW's. More a status symbol and comfortable GT Touring car than a sports car. The M8 will still bit a smidge faster than the F90 M5 though.
Woah. What do you mean by faster than the f90 M5? There is absolutely no way. The f90 has more hp and from what I've seen, it's faster off the line. Perhaps you mean the f10 M5?
I said the M8 not the M850i. You misread.
Ah. Sorry about that. Have they released any info about the m8? I haven't heard anything about it yet.
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To be fair, it is 4,400lbs. Not sure how they're gonna make the M8 any lighter. The M850i is the Aston Martin Vanquish of BMW's. More a status symbol and comfortable GT Touring car than a sports car. The M8 will still bit a smidge faster than the F90 M5 though.
Woah. What do you mean by faster than the f90 M5? There is absolutely no way. The f90 has more hp and from what I've seen, it's faster off the line. Perhaps you mean the f10 M5?
I said the M8 not the M850i. You misread.
Ah. Sorry about that. Have they released any info about the m8? I haven't heard anything about it yet.
Nope. Not yet. I'm still curious if it will get any weight reduction. Looks too much like a Mustang to me though, but still a cool car.
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To be fair, it is 4,400lbs. Not sure how they're gonna make the M8 any lighter. The M850i is the Aston Martin Vanquish of BMW's. More a status symbol and comfortable GT Touring car than a sports car. The M8 will still bit a smidge faster than the F90 M5 though.
Woah. What do you mean by faster than the f90 M5? There is absolutely no way. The f90 has more hp and from what I've seen, it's faster off the line. Perhaps you mean the f10 M5?
I said the M8 not the M850i. You misread.
Ah. Sorry about that. Have they released any info about the m8? I haven't heard anything about it yet.
Nope. Not yet. I'm still curious if it will get any weight reduction. Looks too much like a Mustang to me though, but still a cool car.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Looks like bmw made a mustang, atleast from the side.
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I'm a huge fan of the BMW brand, but I just can't understand why they (or anyone else, apparently) can't do what Porsche has done. Consider the 9114S, Porsche's closest performer to the M850. It weighs 1100 pounds less than the BMW. That's a crazy number. Exterior dims are much smaller, but the front seats are only marginally smaller. And both cars' back seats are equally unusable. The only real-life advantage for the M850 is the ability to fit a set of golf clubs in the trunk. Is that really worth another 1100 pounds of weight?

I know it's a first world problem, but I'd kill for the love child of my M4 and my 911!
I think the comparison here is a bit off as the 9114S is a sports car that is made to be comfortable. M4 interior dimensions are already bigger than that of the 911 so the M8 in reality would feel like a much bigger car. Although porsche's always have trick suspension, I'd bet that the M850i would be more comfortable and refined as well. When you say it as "1100 pounds of weight just to fit golf clubs", it's easy to dismiss the actual purpose of the 8 series. However let's say you want to do a cross country trip with your SO, the utility and comfort of the 8 series would be much better suited for the task than the 911. This is really the purpose of all GT cars and why they are fundamentally different than sports cars; lots of power, big space, and style.
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Not very many roads with a speed limit of 180 mph. 0 to 60 is what most daily drivers care about. Obviously you occasionally gun it on the highway, but unless you are on a track, 0-60 is a pretty significant factor.👍🏼
I care about performance, which to me is a combination of speed and handling. So I appreciate 0-60, but no matter how sophisticated the suspension, weight is always the enemy of handling.
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I think the comparison here is a bit off as the 9114S is a sports car that is made to be comfortable. M4 interior dimensions are already bigger than that of the 911 so the M8 in reality would feel like a much bigger car. Although porsche's always have trick suspension, I'd bet that the M850i would be more comfortable and refined as well. When you say it as "1100 pounds of weight just to fit golf clubs", it's easy to dismiss the actual purpose of the 8 series. However let's say you want to do a cross country trip with your SO, the utility and comfort of the 8 series would be much better suited for the task than the 911. This is really the purpose of all GT cars and why they are fundamentally different than sports cars; lots of power, big space, and style.
Of course you're right. And the 8's purpose is to be a GT. But I still wish a company with BMW's DNA would build a sports car.

I also have to say that BMW never wants to admit that they're building GTs ("no, no, the 8 doesn't compete with the S-Class coupe"). It almost feels like they're embarrassed to be building the cars that they are.
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It would be called the Z4M
That's probably true, but iirc, even that car weighed a couple hundred pounds more than the Boxter. But it was a close comp for sure.
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This is a car intended for a different market. BMW can't build 10 different versions of the M2. If you want a driver's car, buy the M2 Competition. If you want a GT luxury cruiser, buy the 8 series. BMW has done a nice job of increasing its product choices. The only problem is the pricing. These cars are way out of price range for most people. Even a new 3 series is way too expensive for what you get.
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I guess no on remembers, but the previous gen 8 series wasn't much of a driver's car either. It was a pure GT car made for sporty cruising at Autobahn speeds. This is no surprise. Did anyone really expect BMW to gain Porsche levels of steering feedback in their luxo-barge cars?

If you want a sports car, get an M4. It's much cheaper and has far better performance.
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Of course you're right. And the 8's purpose is to be a GT. But I still wish a company with BMW's DNA would build a sports car.

I also have to say that BMW never wants to admit that they're building GTs ("no, no, the 8 doesn't compete with the S-Class coupe"). It almost feels like they're embarrassed to be building the cars that they are.
Well, from one perspective, the cars are different although they are similar. They might be in the same class of car, but they're for different purposes still. The 8 will still be more dynamic than an S class coupe. The Merc is more about looking good and being super comfortable. The M850i is primarily still a luxury car, but it has a much sportier edge.

The 8 was always a GT car. No one denies it's a GT car. The old 8 series never drove very sharp. In fact, I'm curious where you get that BMW denies that it's a GT car.
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please grow up before you post.
Nobody claimed this was a sports car. It's a full size luxury coupe that's lighter than its competition and smaller than the 6 series coupe it replaces. I didn't buy a 6 series because it was a sports car but because it's a comfortable sporty cruiser & I see the 8 series as a potential replacement for it - the 0-60 time is just a bonus.
Full sized by exterior yes, if it's anything like the F12 M6 then by interior absolutely not. Those rear seats are nonexistent. In an S class coupe, 4 adults sit extra comfortable in style.
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At this point, I'm hoping they release an 860i with a slightly breathed upon V12. The M8 sounds exciting and all, but to my mind, a GT proper should at the very least have a V12 as an option.

Come on BMW, you've been dangling a supercar carrot in front of us for what seems like aeons, the very least you could do is drop that sumptuous V12 into your new 8.

It's the right thing to do. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Do the right thing, BMW.
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