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      06-02-2018, 10:52 AM   #2267
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In my mind, retaliatory tariff = fair game.
Bring it! These countries are talking smack. They are only posturing and will blink. The US has the upper hand legally, economically, and otherwise.
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Bring it! These countries are talking smack. They are only posturing and will blink. The US has the upper hand legally, economically, and otherwise.
Nah, I'd translate it to "you vote stupid you live with stupid."

It's all good. You'll snap out of it and all will be good again if not counting the lingering trust issues. You'll probably end up in a post NAFTA era too but all other countries will be fine.
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One more perspective on the US tariffs...

The US proposed the tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum in March, but provided temporary waivers to select allies. During this waiver period both the Mexican and Canadian leadership has been nothing but offensively demanding and disrespectful to the US President. Now they act surprised they aren't granted special treatment (a continuation of the waiver)? Diplomacy doesn't work that way. You're either a friend or not... and Mexico and Canada aren't behaving like friends. Time to turn in your Resistance card Trudeau and Peña Nieto. You're only going to hurt your country trying to win fight you aren't equipped to win.
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One more perspective on the US tariffs...

The US proposed the tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum in March, but provided temporary waivers to select allies. During this waiver period both the Mexican and Canadian leadership has been nothing but offensively demanding and disrespectful to the US President. Now they act surprised they aren't granted special treatment (a continuation of the waiver)? Diplomacy doesn't work that way. You're either a friend or not... and Mexico and Canada aren't behaving like friends. Time to turn in your Resistance card Trudeau and Peña Nieto. You're only going to hurt your country trying to win fight you aren't equipped to win.
This post is hilarious.

Dude, if ego was a goods to trade, you'd be running a surplus sized in trillions.

I hope I'm wrong but this power shift we are seeing now is going to burn the world as we know it to the ground.
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Nah, I'd translate it to "you vote stupid you live with stupid."

It's all good. You'll snap out of it...
Arrogant and insulting.
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Arrogant and insulting.
Nah. I'm fluent in both, that was more a realistic view than arrogant or insulting. We've all done the same thing at the ballot box once or twice. We Europeans have a glorious history in voting the worst possible people in power.
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Yeah these countries won’t win a trade war with the US.

Trump will force Mexico to build a wall for a permanent exception from the tariffs, and then reneg on it.

I’d laugh.
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One more perspective on the US tariffs...

The US proposed the tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum in March, but provided temporary waivers to select allies. During this waiver period both the Mexican and Canadian leadership has been nothing but offensively demanding and disrespectful to the US President. Now they act surprised they aren't granted special treatment (a continuation of the waiver)? Diplomacy doesn't work that way. You're either a friend or not... and Mexico and Canada aren't behaving like friends. Time to turn in your Resistance card Trudeau and Peña Nieto. You're only going to hurt your country trying to win fight you aren't equipped to win.
You can't be serious.............I guess you see trump's actions in a different light than most of the rest of the world.........if there is a bully in this mess, it is your egotistical leader.
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I would agree with this article.

America should be more at ease than this - CNN Politics
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The US proposed the tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum in March, but provided temporary waivers to select allies. During this waiver period both the Mexican and Canadian leadership has been nothing but offensively demanding and disrespectful to the US President. Now they act surprised they aren't granted special treatment (a continuation of the waiver)? Diplomacy doesn't work that way. You're either a friend or not... and Mexico and Canada aren't behaving like friends. Time to turn in your Resistance card Trudeau and Peña Nieto. You're only going to hurt your country trying to win fight you aren't equipped to win.
Canada not being a friend concerning aluminum? Unfair trade practices?

You may be miss informed. It’s called a competitive advantage,

There is one aluminum foundry in Canada that’s makes as much aluminum as the entire US. It has an advantage because electricity is relatively inexpensive in Quebec where 96% of electricity is generated from hydro electric dams. That’s unfair?

So now the US has written a cheque for $600 million to Canadian suppliers since March since it still needs the aluminum, only now it pays a higher price, leading to either higher prices to US consumers or lower margins for US companies or some combination of both.

The US will not be able to produce the volume of aluminum Canada does at the same price point. And good luck to Alcoa and other US companies that produce aluminum in Canada.

On the steel front, Canada buys as much steel from the US as it sells to the US.

Meanwhile the surplus steel that China makes, roughly 700 million tons annually, all exported, is roughly equivalent to all of the steel produced in the US, Canada and the E.U. combined.

The premise of renegating NAFTA to get better terms from Canada flies in the face of the 2018 Econimic Report of the President, which he signed, and was compiled by the group of economic advisors he appointed, shows the US has a trade surplus with Canada for goods and services.

Welcome to the post truth era in the US.
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Canada not being a friend concerning aluminum? Unfair trade practices?

You may be miss informed. It’s called a competitive advantage,

There is one aluminum foundry in Canada that’s makes as much aluminum as the entire US. It has an advantage because electricity is relatively inexpensive in Quebec where 96% of electricity is generated from hydro electric dams. That’s unfair?

So now the US has written a cheque for $600 million to Canadian suppliers since March since it still needs the aluminum, only now it pays a higher price, leading to either higher prices to US consumers or lower margins for US companies or some combination of both.

The US will not be able to produce the volume of aluminum Canada does at the same price point. And good luck to Alcoa and other US companies that produce aluminum in Canada.

On the steel front, Canada buys as much steel from the US as it sells to the US.

Meanwhile the surplus steel that China makes, roughly 700 million tons annually, all exported, is roughly equivalent to all of the steel produced in the US, Canada and the E.U. combined.

The premise of renegating NAFTA to get better terms from Canada flies in the face of the 2018 Econimic Report of the President, which he signed, and was compiled by the group of economic advisors he appointed, shows the US has a trade surplus with Canada for goods and services.

Welcome to the post truth era in the US.
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This was very well written. Thank you.
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What starts as a promising editorial piece against Marxism turns into more propaganda against the press. What an idiot!!!!

Opinion: Newt Gingrich: China's embrace of Marxism is bad news for its people - Fox News
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I know right. It's frightening. All I wanted was a nice, quiet retirement. Now there's this.
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I know right. It's frightening. All I wanted was a nice, quiet retirement. Now there's this.
I explained tariffs to an eight year old in three minutes and he understood the concept.

It's interesting that here people have tried to explain this shit for days with absolutely no results. It's even more interesting that it was news here to some that the counter tariffs have been aimed with precision.

This is like funny, not funny but still kinda funny.
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The thing that scares Lemmie the most (in my view) is that tpp went on without USA, the EU and china is having a love fest and this can be a real global shift. The next few months will show exactly how big the stick the USA has been carrying is.
Lups...scares me me the most? Not even close.

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Is is solely the US President who decides what is or isn't a US national security concern.
Without question (right now). The President has the sole discretion under Section 232, to accept or reject the findings, in part or in whole, regardless of who petitioned for an investigation as offered under the numerous safeguards available under other rules and without prejudice to any of these.

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If he/she decides there is a national security concern, that makes it one.
That statement is also correct. Unfortunately this is also true:

It DOES NOT mean a threat to national security actually EXISTS, but grants the President authority to CREATE one.

From 1981 - 2017, 14 Section 232 investigations have occurred; only 2 after the WTO was formed in 1995 and absorbed GATT. All of those reports can be read in entirety here:

https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/ot...investigations

The 2018 Steel and Aluminium reports used the 2001 Iron Ore and Steel report as a template yet they significantly differ in specific content just as they are identical in generic content.


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Did you see how none of the counter tariffs are fucking up with the segment that have a high education level in? Yeah. They're targeted towards a voting mass.
That's more coincidental IMO. Look at where the mining, processing, and largest manufacturing facilities are in the US.


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Nope, nope, nope.
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Without question (right now). The President has the sole discretion under Section 232, to accept or reject the findings, in part or in whole, regardless of who petitioned for an investigation as offered under the numerous safeguards available under other rules and without prejudice to any of these.



That statement is also correct. Unfortunately this is also true:

It DOES NOT mean a threat to national security actually EXISTS, but grants the President authority to CREATE one.

From 1981 - 2017, 14 Section 232 investigations have occurred; only 2 after the WTO was formed in 1995 and absorbed GATT. All of those reports can be read in entirety here:

https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/ot...investigations

The 2018 Steel and Aluminium reports used the 2001 Iron Ore and Steel report as a template yet they significantly differ in specific content just as they are identical in generic content.




That's more coincidental IMO. Look at where the mining, processing, and largest manufacturing facilities are in the US.




Nope, nope, nope.
Fine. I'll listen better next time.
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Without question (right now). The President has the sole discretion under Section 232, to accept or reject the findings, in part or in whole, regardless of who petitioned for an investigation as offered under the numerous safeguards available under other rules and without prejudice to any of these.



That statement is also correct. Unfortunately this is also true:

It DOES NOT mean a threat to national security actually EXISTS, but grants the President authority to CREATE one.

From 1981 - 2017, 14 Section 232 investigations have occurred; only 2 after the WTO was formed in 1995 and absorbed GATT. All of those reports can be read in entirety here:

https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/ot...investigations

The 2018 Steel and Aluminium reports used the 2001 Iron Ore and Steel report as a template yet they significantly differ in specific content just as they are identical in generic content.




That's more coincidental IMO. Look at where the mining, processing, and largest manufacturing facilities are in the US.




Nope, nope, nope.
Fine. I'll listen better next time.
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Perhaps The Gipper said it best...

Go to bed Lemmie! I need to research this shit before I bother you again.

Sleep tight, don't let the boogie man bite!
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Is is solely the US President who decides what is or isn't a US national security concern.
Without question (right now). The President has the sole discretion under Section 232, to accept or reject the findings, in part or in whole, regardless of who petitioned for an investigation as offered under the numerous safeguards available under other rules and without prejudice to any of these.

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If he/she decides there is a national security concern, that makes it one.
That statement is also correct. Unfortunately this is also true:

It DOES NOT mean a threat to national security actually EXISTS, but grants the President authority to CREATE one.
I posted this clarification earlier, but apparently people are still misinterpreting my comment. When I point out that the US President solely determines if something is a national security concern; I'm speaking to the workings of the US government. Within the US government the President alone ultimately decides what is or isn't officially a national security concern. This fact is irrespective of the WTO, UN, EU, Canada, Mexico, Bimmerpost members, etc..
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I posted this clarification earlier, but apparently people are still misinterpreting my comment. When I point out that the US President solely determines if something is a national security concern; I'm speaking to the workings of the US government. Within the US government the President alone ultimately decides what is or isn't officially a national security concern. This fact is irrespective of the WTO, UN, EU, Canada, Mexico, Bimmerpost members, etc..
Yeah, about that. Corker seems to think it's time to shut that shit down.

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I posted this clarification earlier, but apparently people are still misinterpreting my comment. When I point out that the US President solely determines if something is a national security concern; I'm speaking to the workings of the US government. Within the US government the President alone ultimately decides what is or isn't officially a national security concern. This fact is irrespective of the WTO, UN, EU, Canada, Mexico, Bimmerpost members, etc..
Yeah, about that. Corker seems to think it's time to shut that shit down.

The ultimate heresy is this: he's seeking bipartisan support!
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The ultimate heresy is this: he's seeking bipartisan support!
God I love that dude. He's so tiny, cuddly and beautiful. I'd totally make him my snuggling pall.

I truly hope people hop along to their calculators and figure out how much this will pay off before we have a world of hurt in front of us.
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