[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by jstein55

I would actually say Cadillac or Alfa is closer to what they use to be, but at least BMW still has the M2, although it will be one hell of a challenge for them to make the next gen of that car without hate, they hopefully won't ruin their halo car.

Cadillac, naw! Cadillac is trying to appeal to a segment that it can't really compete in. Cadillac's were never known as sporty cars until they launched the CTS-V to compete with the Germans. Even with the CTS-V, Cadillac was unable to ever really capture the market from the German's and part of that is the identity behind the brand.

Alfa's are okay, but I personally find it funny that people accept that owl beak of a front end, but lament BMW's new grille design language.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Cadillac, naw! Cadillac is trying to appeal to a segment that it can't really compete in. Cadillac's were never known as sporty cars until they launched the CTS-V to compete with the Germans. Even with the CTS-V, Cadillac was unable to ever really capture the market from the German's and part of that is the identity behind the brand.

Alfa's are okay, but I personally find it funny that people accept that owl beak of a front end, but lament BMW's new grille design language.

I was speaking purely on driving dynamics, the Cadillac and Alfa feel closer to BMW's of old. Regarding design, quality, marketing and other aspects, that's a whole other conversation.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by jstein55

I was speaking purely on driving dynamics, the Cadillac and Alfa feel closer to BMW's of old. Regarding design, quality, marketing and other aspects, that's a whole other conversation.

I suppose that's fair. I've never really liked how the Caddy's drove, but that's a moot point. It's all subjective.

[Wolfman64]

Originally Posted by Vic55

The cars are obviously visually modded--- do they talk about any performance mods by chance? The win's are not shocking but they do beat the GT63S by a decent amount. The GT63S does handle rather well for a bigger piggy (heavier than either of the M cars) but that was not tested here

If I am looking at the video correctly, the M5 runs 10.2, the M8 10.3 and the GT63s 11 in the quarter (3:18 in the video)

Those are not stock numbers on either BMW and more than downpipes and exhaust IMO.

[FrankieNuo]

Originally Posted by The Automotive Enthusiast

At the price range, it's about total package. Straight line speed is a very small factor when purchasing any of those cars.* The usual owners will NEVER EVER do any kind of pull. Ever. Comfort will be the number one decision maker.


*Unless you're a very wealthy 20 or 30 something year old.

On that note I'll have the m5. Best package.

[RJC-1]

I read the entire thread...and now have a headache.

Testing cars where some are stock and others aren't or not sure either way, makes no sense.

[Neptune7]

Agree, nothing to learn from the results. Though it was great to see an M8 GC in a race!

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Neptune7

Agree, nothing to learn from the results. Though it was great to see an M8 GC in a race!

You need to follow me around for a while, you'll see many

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by FrankieNuo

On that note I'll have the m5. Best package.

You're welcome to your incorrect opinion .

Having had both, I like the M8C GC a lot more but a HUGE chunk of that preference comes from its looks.

[dappercivility]

Nice video and the F90 M5 being tuned and having aftermarket down pipes doesn't make it a fair game in my honest opinion.

I currently have the F90 M5 Comp and considering to get the GT63S alongside the F90 M5 Comp. Will drive either car according to my mood. Both are really nice cars and are very different cars.

Would be nice to have both cars to swap according to different moods. Both are very nice cars in their own ways. So a mere drag race and who wins doesn't really matter that much to a potential buyer. It's the driving experience that matters. While much has been said about the driving experience for mercs, modern AMGs are vastly improved though from my personal experience with both cars, each has its own character and both are a Blast to drive! Cheers!

[Unknown_Car]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

If you talk to old heads, your 335i isn't what BMW's used to be either. So "what BMW's are supposed to be" is a rather fluid concept left up to interpretation. BMW's are closer to what they used to be than any of their competitors. We can still get an MT with BMW.

Haha since you mentioned 335i, I will say that my 335i was much better then most non m cars by far, and in some aspects better then some m's. But I had few m's and i I know what I am talking, they lost alot from how they used to feel, drive, and sound.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Roma_335i

Haha since you mentioned 335i, I will say that my 335i was much better then most non m cars by far, and in some aspects better then some m's. But I had few m's and i I know what I am talking, they lost alot from how they used to feel, drive, and sound.

We can agree to disagree. I've owned 8 M's (..out of 14 BMW's total) spread between the E46, E9X and F8X, and I don't find the cars to be lacking in enjoyment at all. Never once have I regretted moving up to the newer iteration.

...and sound? The only one universally deemed a good sounding M3 was the E9X. Every other M3 was criticized for the exhaust sound.

[jackaleyess]

When a bunch of mafia driving luxury cars. They owned the road.