[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Roma_335i

And many will. It's not all about who's the fastest. 90% of people that own this cars don't even use it for what it's made. Plus MB lineup looks so much better, BMW got nothing that can even touch the Gtr.

We all have our opinions. Some of the MB's are nice. I wouldn't buy one, but they are nice.

[GGG333]

Originally Posted by Vic55

The cars are obviously visually modded--- do they talk about any performance mods by chance? The win's are not shocking but they do beat the GT63S by a decent amount. The GT63S does handle rather well for a bigger piggy (heavier than either of the M cars) but that was not tested here

M5 has downpipes & exhaust.

[Unknown_Car]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

We all have our opinions. Some of the MB's are nice. I wouldn't buy one, but they are nice.

That's exactly what I say about BMW now days, except all BMW's are ugly now . Had 5 of them and never again will get one, unless they change there design. It's only MB or P-car.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Roma_335i

That's exactly what I say about BMW now days, except all BMW's are ugly now . Had 5 of them and never again will get one, unless they change there design. It's only MB or P-car.

Hopefully a P-Car GT variant.

[Calvin36]

Even if the BMWs lost, I still would have chosen them. This is just icing on the cake.

[khailuan]

That M5 Comp looks gorgeous ... until I saw that M8 Gran Coupe which looks effing amazing. Regardless, 3 very desirable cars there.

[Neptune7]

Don't remember the GT63S leaving such a deficit. In fact it's been a driver's race for a quarter mile in both Guram's and carwow's contests with the M5. Perhaps the cars aren't stock.

[werdn]

Anyone know the exhaust set up for the m5

[bimmer_335]

I'd like to put M5 driver in Merc and repeat... i have 0 confidence on the Merc driver which i believe is a fine car. Its hard to imagine if it will lag more than a car length behind M8

also, nice surprise to see M5 COMP beat both handily everytime

[Roch M4]

The MB was disadvantaged because it has 2 GoPro on the roof, creating a lot of drag

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Roma_335i

And many will. It's not all about who's the fastest. 90% of people that own this cars don't even use it for what it's made. Plus MB lineup looks so much better, BMW got nothing that can even touch the Gtr.

I myself did this. In 2018 went looking at an M550, left with a CLS, my first Mercedes ever, and first time without a BMW in 20+ years, just wasn't satisfied with anything in the BMW lineup outside of the M2C at that time, and recently the wife just got a GLC for her daily. The competition is catching up and very competitive.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I realize that is the case much of the time, but the way these people complain about every aesthetic change you would think the concept of the "total package" has been lost. People tend to make knee jerk comments about going to XYZ manufacturer. I'm just merely ushering them along.

BMW has a real heritage of moulding drivers' excellence and even defining the game. They where pretty unique back then. I share the pain with others when we realise that BMW changed there path forward towards more turnover also by sacrificing many of the virtues they worked on for so long and so intens. BMW has more become just another brand and the gap is so narrow that jumping to an Audi or MB doesn't require that you throw your principles overboard. 25 years back I would have been driving the ugliest BMW but I would still be proud and feel privileged driving it. Detail nevertheless: 25 years back all new BMWs where considered gorgeous by +90% of the world.

I presume that because they changed brand strategy, we'll see more members ventilating that they consider alternatives. And we'll see arguments that can look stupig cfr. cup holders or other trivia. But, no big deal actually? That's what BMW also indirectly caused.

[Bahn360Photo]

M5 has downpipes, intake and exhaust

M8 is stock

Merc is stock as well

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I realize that is the case much of the time, but the way these people complain about every aesthetic change you would think the concept of the "total package" has been lost. People tend to make knee jerk comments about going to XYZ manufacturer. I'm just merely ushering them along.

You know most people complaining usually can't afford the cars they complain about. Nothing wrong with that, but the way they complain it's as if they were going to buy it then changed their minds due to the new design lol.

Except for the G22. Don't want to go off topic but that car is universally accepted as ugly.

For the rest of the lineup it's definitely personal preference. I think the M8 and M5 generally look great inside and out, even with the minor design changes made to the LCIs.

Those are evolutionary designs though and that's what I prefer.

The merc looks great too but I prefer handling over straight line performance even though the Bimmers win both.

To be fair, at this price range, if you're looking for performance, you're going to look at Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, etc.

If you're looking for all around value, performance, comfort and luxury features, the M8 definitely takes the win over the Merc.

[MForSpeed]

Originally Posted by am3r1ka

Not sure if this was posted already, feel free to take down but here's a battle we've all be looking for.

The GT63 💩 just looks good, it has launch program, look at carwow 1 also

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by KoenG

BMW has a real heritage of moulding drivers' excellence and even defining the game. They where pretty unique back then. I share the pain with others when we realise that BMW changed there path forward towards more turnover also by sacrificing many of the virtues they worked on for so long and so intens. BMW has more become just another brand and the gap is so narrow that jumping to an Audi or MB doesn't require that you throw your principles overboard. 25 years back I would have been driving the ugliest BMW but I would still be proud and feel privileged driving it. Detail nevertheless: 25 years back all new BMWs where considered gorgeous by +90% of the world.

I presume that because they changed brand strategy, we'll see more members ventilating that they consider alternatives. And we'll see arguments that can look stupig cfr. cup holders or other trivia. But, no big deal actually? That's what BMW also indirectly caused.

BMW is the only brand that kept some semblance of catering towards drivers (...still offering manuals and still offering cars that can be used at the track). MB ditched MT's. Audi ditched MT's. Both are heavier than the BMW equivalents. All of the brands began catering to the SUV market because not doing so almost certainly meant demise. All of the bullet points you mentioned in your post apply to the other brands as well. Hell, even Porsche had to cater to the SUV market if they had any hope of surviving. The only thing that saves a company like Porsche is their target market and sales volume isn't necessarily the purpose of that company. It never has been.

[Unknown_Car]

Originally Posted by jstein55

I myself did this. In 2018 went looking at an M550, left with a CLS, my first Mercedes ever, and first time without a BMW in 20+ years, just wasn't satisfied with anything in the BMW lineup outside of the M2C at that time, and recently the wife just got a GLC for her daily. The competition is catching up and very competitive.

Yea is sucks that's BMW doesn't really care about what BMW used to be, but there is always other cars. Do you have the c257 cls?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Roma_335i

Yea is sucks that's BMW doesn't really care about what BMW used to be, but there is always other cars. Do you have the c257 cls?

Yes, C257 CLS53, love it, will likely get another Merc again after the lease is over.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Roma_335i

Yea is sucks that's BMW doesn't really care about what BMW used to be, but there is always other cars. Do you have the c257 cls?

If you talk to old heads, your 335i isn't what BMW's used to be either. So "what BMW's are supposed to be" is a rather fluid concept left up to interpretation. BMW's are closer to what they used to be than any of their competitors. We can still get an MT with BMW.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

BMW is the only brand that kept some semblance of catering towards drivers (...still offering manuals and still offering cars that can be used at the track). MB ditched MT's. Audi ditched MT's. Both are heavier than the BMW equivalents. All of the brands began catering to the SUV market because not doing so almost certainly meant demise. All of the bullet points you mentioned in your post apply to the other brands as well. Hell, even Porsche had to cater to the SUV market if they had any hope of surviving. The only thing that saves a company like Porsche is their target market and sales volume isn't necessarily the purpose of that company. It never has been.

For me, MT is not at the least defining the DNA for BMW. I wouldn't see how actually? The MT BMWs I had were far inferior to the ones in the Hondas and Mazdas. It's an artefact from previous century and has become obsolete for so many years already. Their ZF 8HP makes the loss of the ineffective manual easy to bare... for me at least.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by KoenG

For me, MT is not at the least defining the DNA for BMW. I wouldn't see how actually? The MT BMWs I had were far inferior to the ones in the Hondas and Mazdas. It's an artefact from previous century and has become obsolete for so many years already. Their ZF 8HP makes the loss of the ineffective manual easy to bare... for me at least.

That's a fair perspective, but when you talk to someone that loves MT's they will feel the opposite. MT's aren't necessarily about the most efficient transmission, but more about tactile engagement, feedback and control. My point is that BMW hasn't abandoned the enthusiast.....at least not completely. They still offer something for everybody (...all while being lighter than the direct competitors). The same cannot he said for Mercedes or Audi.

Given all of the regulatory changes, BMW is still finding a way to cater to everybody on some level. While that window is narrowing rapidly, they are still the only manufacturer in their class doing it. I'm giving credit where credit is due.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

If you talk to old heads, your 335i isn't what BMW's used to be either. So "what BMW's are supposed to be" is a rather fluid concept left up to interpretation. BMW's are closer to what they used to be than any of their competitors. We can still get an MT with BMW.

I would actually say Cadillac or Alfa is closer to what they use to be, but at least BMW still has the M2, although it will be one hell of a challenge for them to make the next gen of that car without hate, they hopefully won't ruin their halo car.