Joe Achilles "trashing" the M8

Vic55 · 03-10-2023, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by snareman

Granted by the time I picked up my M8 it had been about 6 months since I'd sold my M4 and I had become used to driving my X3, but I immediately noticed how stiff the M8 was even in comfort compared to what I thought I remembered the M4 being. Its not at all a complaint, just sometime I immediately noticed.

Kudos to M with the G8X--- the damper valving and spring rates are dialed. The 8 is a rough shod mo fo as you eluded to. And I wont use comfort EDC as the compression and rebound is excessive (even pre lower). I am fortunate enough to have very flat well paved roads in almost all areas.

Bulent Ali · 03-10-2023, 02:16 PM

Vic55. Respect 🙏. You had alot of experience in the motoring world , for that I respect you .
I always imagine what BMW could do with the S63 engine in a pure sports car body. Lightweight and agile . A super car for short.
The current CSL as great as it is ....how great would it of been with the V8 from the M8....or even a Late 70s M1 body .

Vic55 · 03-10-2023, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bulent Ali

Vic55. Respect ��. You had alot of experience in the motoring world , for that I respect you .
I always imagine what BMW could do with the S63 engine in a pure sports car body. Lightweight and agile . A super car for short.
The current CSL as great as it is ....how great would it of been with the V8 from the M8....or even a Late 70s M1 body .

The S63 is so amazing still to this day.... but I do feel (exhaust note withstanding) that the S58 is the engine I enjoy more. Its just an engine wanting to be pushed and pressed to the red. It revs so fast and is extremely responsive. I just cant stand inline 6 exhaust noise.

Next we have the S68 (I think?)

Thank for the words too

Tenac · 03-10-2023, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

The S63 is so amazing still to this day.... but I do feel (exhaust note withstanding) that the S58 is the engine I enjoy more. Its just an engine wanting to be pushed and pressed to the red. It revs so fast and is extremely responsive. I just cant stand inline 6 exhaust noise.

Next we have the S68 (I think?)

Thank for the words too

I'm still wondering if they will keep the S63 around for awhile since the S68 is a hybrid only design..... Not that I mind the extra power from the electric system but just that much more complication on the powertrain.

RJC-1 · 03-10-2023, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

The S63 is so amazing still to this day.... but I do feel (exhaust note withstanding) that the S58 is the engine I enjoy more. Its just an engine wanting to be pushed and pressed to the red. It revs so fast and is extremely responsive. I just cant stand inline 6 exhaust noise.

Next we have the S68 (I think?)

Thank for the words too

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Originally Posted by Tenac

I'm still wondering if they will keep the S63 around for awhile since the S68 is a hybrid only design..... Not that I mind the extra power from the electric system but just that much more complication on the powertrain.

My guess is the next iteration will be a 48V mild hybrid assist which would be fine by me, as this generally offers a nice little bump in power and to a lesser extent mpg's.

Demon Barber · 03-10-2023, 05:36 PM

Anyone know if the 2024 M8 comp rods are forged or still cast like older S63s?

Also, what's the 992 turbo s maintenance costs compared to the M8?

Vic55 · 03-10-2023, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Demon Barber

Anyone know if the 2024 M8 comp rods are forged or still cast like older S63s?

Also, what's the 992 turbo s maintenance costs compared to the M8?

Not sure about the rod question but the 992 Turbo S (according my local dealer) has had no major issues and maintenance is pretty normal. First oil change at 10k or 1 year is free. I have had 5 of them ranging from 996 to 991.1 with no issues and no excessive maintenance needed.

The M, as you know, has its fluid maintenance covered for 3/36. I never hit the sensor for miles so I just get a free oil change every year which one can do in lieu of the sensor telling you its time. On my F90 M5 I did the run in service at 1200 and then a free oil change around 3400 miles and one more at 4600 miles. Time counts too. And no issues with the M's.

But the Porsche is a bulletproof car in itself.

snareman · 03-10-2023, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

Kudos to M with the G8X--- the damper valving and spring rates are dialed. The 8 is a rough shod mo fo as you eluded to. And I wont use comfort EDC as the compression and rebound is excessive (even pre lower). I am fortunate enough to have very flat well paved roads in almost all areas.

Having become so used to having a HUD I feel like I'd really miss it on a Porsche. I definitely missed it when I had a Jeep for a bunch of years that didn't have one.

hinckley · 03-11-2023, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by snareman

Having become so used to having a HUD I feel like I'd really miss it on a Porsche. I definitely missed it when I had a Jeep for a bunch of years that didn't have one.

I've had HUD literally since its introduction in the E60 5er (I waited for its delayed introduction). I love it. But it wasn't a problem living without it in my 911s since I use HUD mostly for speed and the 911 has a digital speedometer front and center in the guage cluster. It worked fine for me. That said, it does piss me off that Porsche refuses to fit a HUD into the 911 for some unknown reason.

snareman · 03-11-2023, 08:47 AM

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I've had HUD literally since its introduction in the E60 5er (I waited for its delayed introduction). I love it. But it wasn't a problem living without it in my 911s since I use HUD mostly for speed and the 911 has a digital speedometer front and center in the guage cluster. It worked fine for me. That said, it does piss me off that Porsche refuses to fit a HUD into the 911 for some unknown reason.

Do their other models have them?

hinckley · 03-11-2023, 08:50 AM

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Do their other models have them?

Panny, Taycan and Cayenne do. 911, 718 and Macan do not.

Bulent Ali · 03-11-2023, 09:39 AM

Forged crank . Yes it is

Vic55 · 03-11-2023, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by snareman

Having become so used to having a HUD I feel like I'd really miss it on a Porsche. I definitely missed it when I had a Jeep for a bunch of years that didn't have one.

Zero need for it--- maybe a want.

Its def not a game changer for me- chassis response, driver involvement, sonorous feedback... is.

I never got a Porsche for the tech or even the cabin amenities. M has stuff so its cool and Ive run HUD's in every M since it came out but to me, its luxurious and not driver needed. I drive with a longer line of sight so my focus is usually not on it.

hinckley · 03-11-2023, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

Zero need for it--- maybe a want.

Its def not a game changer for me- chassis response, driver involvement, sonorous feedback... is.

I never got a Porsche for the tech or even the cabin amenities. M has stuff so its cool and Ive run HUD's in every M since it came out but to me, its luxurious and not driver needed. I drive with a longer line of sight so my focus is usually not on it.

Vic, you're probably more of a hard-core driver than most people on these forums (that's no bad thing).

Personally, I want it all. And I'm certainly not one of those "drivers" who are disdainful of anything that isn't "driver-focused" (you know, like power windows). Btw, it's why the 911 is pretty much the perfect car. It's either very good or excellent in every way, except for price (no surprise since it's pretty much a no compromise car). Its luxury and tech aren't quite as good as the M8, but it's very (very?) good and better than 90% or more of anything else in the category. And its engine, driving dynamics and reliability are as good as it gets for the street.

I do wish it had HUD though.

Vic55 · 03-11-2023, 01:07 PM

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Vic, you're probably more of a hard-core driver than most people on these forums (that's no bad thing).

Personally, I want it all. And I'm certainly not one of those "drivers" who are disdainful of anything that isn't "driver-focused" (you know, like power windows). Btw, it's why the 911 is pretty much the perfect car. It's either very good or excellent in every way, except for price (no surprise since it's pretty much a no compromise car). Its luxury and tech aren't quite as good as the M8, but it's very (very?) good and better than 90% or more of anything else in the category. And its engine, driving dynamics and reliability are as good as it gets for the street.

I do wish it had HUD though.

Ha that was funny...

Im by no means a pro in any way shape or form but I do get horrible gas mileage in all my cars (heavy foot) and wear out tires if I get the miles up

There is not one day where I, safely, do not at least exceed triple digit mph's. I have a sweet run by my house where I can peg the limiters in all my cars and I take full advantage of it. And I turn once in a while hahaah

I just never personally had the "must have" for HUD.

hinckley · 03-11-2023, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic55

There is not one day where I, safely, do not at least exceed triple digit mph's.

Yikes!! Big statement.

snowbimmer · 03-11-2023, 09:31 PM

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Ha that was funny...

I have a sweet run by my house where I can peg the limiters in all my cars and I take full advantage of it. And I turn once in a while hahaah

Damn

snareman · 03-11-2023, 09:43 PM

There is most definitely nowhere within an hour of my house even that I can go over 100 anytime I want without some fear of there being a cop nearby. Would be nice to have though.

Has above, I also want it all. After all there is a Burger King nearby. Or maybe I want it my way as the case may be. I want the sportiness and the creature comforts of the HUD for example. It's unlikely that I will really ever get to take full advantage of my 617 horsepower but somehow it's still fun and nice to have. Also the same reason that I will never tune it. My car friends in Germany are like, what do you do with all that horsepower over there? You can't use it. True enough for where I live. It used to be the cool thing when leaving the local cars and coffee that you get on the highway where the entrance ramp was right in front of everything and people would burn out and crazy accelerate getting on the highway until the cops picked up on this and now sit there waiting for people.

Doc73 · 03-12-2023, 12:23 AM

I drive M8 Competition stage3 with 862hp 1050Nm.
It pulls every time like a bullet and yes of course mine was used car 6 month and payed 130k euros full optional..very very lucky me. New I agree it’s overpriced.
In my garage there is room for a Porsche GT4 2022 stage1. Every time that choose car in the morning I have to reset my driving behavior cause are so different on the road.

Justao · 03-12-2023, 12:32 AM

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I drive M8 Competition stage3 with 862hp 1050Nm.
It pulls every time like a bullet and yes of course mine was used car 6 month and payed 130k euros full optional..very very lucky me. New I agree it’s overpriced.

Who’s built your engine, what rods did you use? Stock or hybrid turbos? Meth kit?

Doc73 · 03-12-2023, 12:39 AM

GPower in Germany did stage3.
Big turbo,ecu remapped,Akra full exhaust 200 cell,Eventuri,suspensions,spacers,full carbon bonnet
No meth,just 100 oct gas.
When GPower tested car after tuning said that Porsche Turbo S TUNED can compare same pulling only.
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Justao · 03-12-2023, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc73

GPower in Germany did stage3.
Big turbo,ecu remapped,Akra full exhaust 200 cell,Eventuri,suspensions,spacers,full carbon bonnet
No meth,just 100 oct gas.
When GPower tested car after tuning said that Porsche Turbo S TUNED can compare same pulling only.
.

Did they mention the risk to bend the rod running that much power?🤷🏻&zwj;♂️

Probably the stock rods are capable of running 800-900bhp but still I personally would not risk it

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snareman Leave the gun. Take the Canoli. 9052 Rep 7,621 Posts Drives: ///M8 & X3 ///M40 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ohio iTrader: (0)	There is most definitely nowhere within an hour of my house even that I can go over 100 anytime I want without some fear of there being a cop nearby. Would be nice to have though. Has above, I also want it all. After all there is a Burger King nearby. Or maybe I want it my way as the case may be. I want the sportiness and the creature comforts of the HUD for example. It's unlikely that I will really ever get to take full advantage of my 617 horsepower but somehow it's still fun and nice to have. Also the same reason that I will never tune it. My car friends in Germany are like, what do you do with all that horsepower over there? You can't use it. True enough for where I live. It used to be the cool thing when leaving the local cars and coffee that you get on the highway where the entrance ramp was right in front of everything and people would burn out and crazy accelerate getting on the highway until the cops picked up on this and now sit there waiting for people. __________________ Current: 2023 Santorini Blue ///M8 \|\|\| 2023 X3 M40 Retired: 2021 Enzian Blue ///M4 \|\|\| 2018 ///M4 \|\|\| 2017 ///M4 \|\|\| 2014 435i \|\|\| 2009 335i Coupe \|\|\| 2007 335i Coupe
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Doc73 New Member 21 Rep 25 Posts Drives: M8 Competition Stage3 Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Italy iTrader: (0) Garage List 2022 Porsche GT4 [0.00] 2020 bmw M8 competi ... [0.00]	I drive M8 Competition stage3 with 862hp 1050Nm. It pulls every time like a bullet and yes of course mine was used car 6 month and payed 130k euros full optional..very very lucky me. New I agree it’s overpriced. In my garage there is room for a Porsche GT4 2022 stage1. Every time that choose car in the morning I have to reset my driving behavior cause are so different on the road.
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Doc73 New Member 21 Rep 25 Posts Drives: M8 Competition Stage3 Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Italy iTrader: (0) Garage List 2022 Porsche GT4 [0.00] 2020 bmw M8 competi ... [0.00]	GPower in Germany did stage3. Big turbo,ecu remapped,Akra full exhaust 200 cell,Eventuri,suspensions,spacers,full carbon bonnet No meth,just 100 oct gas. When GPower tested car after tuning said that Porsche Turbo S TUNED can compare same pulling only. .
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