[Beemer5to3]

[QUOTE=mjr24;30519915]I had a 24 840i coupe loaner last week, too. We have a X7 40i so I like the engine but I feel it’s too little for the 8 series. The car felt underpowered.


That’s a bit of a contradiction saying it feels underpowered in an 840i, yet you’ve got an X7 which weighs 500Kg more with the B58, and is over half a second slower to 62mph

[mjr24]

It’s not….people don’t buy a X7 because they are trying to go fast. It’s fine for a SUV. It’s not at all what I desire in a $90k coupe

[Beemer5to3]

Originally Posted by mjr24

It’s not….people don’t buy a X7 because they are trying to go fast. It’s fine for a SUV. It’s not at all what I desire in a $90k coupe

My point was, it can hardly feel underpowered by someone used to driving a car with the same engine that is inherently heavier and slower.

It’s an interesting one in the UK - the V8 just wasn’t popular at all (likely due to our stupid fuel and tax costs). Just looking on Auto Trader, out of 196 cars for sale, only 38 of them are the V8.

I’m very happy in my 840i, it’s quicker than 90% of the cars on the road here, and as it’s my daily doing 12-14k miles a year, it’s decently economical too.

[Carlito_UK]

Christ!!! 840 drivers have really taken offence. If the 840 is the thinking man's car that you purchase using your head then no doubt M8/850i is a purchase of the heart.....each to their own.

[Accentu8]

Originally Posted by Carlito_UK

Christ!!! 840 drivers have really taken offence. If the 840 is the thinking man's car that you purchase using your head then no doubt M8/850i is a purchase of the heart.....each to their own.

I think we just get tired of feeling like we’re looked down upon and at times, ignored…like an Ecoboost owner in a Mustang forum. Human nature…

[Tenac]

Originally Posted by Say My Name

I think we just get tired of feeling like we’re looked down upon and at times, ignored…like an Ecoboost owner in a Mustang forum. Human nature…

LOL such a funny comparison....

[Davesrb]

Topics like this can be hilarious, but just serve as a reminder that everyones tastes and needs are different. I love performance vehicles, but when I got my 840i GC I wanted a stylish, comfortable cruiser with good handling and performance, that could hold my family of 3. The 840i has given me every thing I hoped for. I would probably not be as happy with the M850. While I would love the extra performance I wouldn't want the louder exhaust. Also, when I drove an M850 last month I could definitely feel the extra weight up front compared to my lighter engine, non xdrive GC. And while I do love the 8 series GC's, if I was shopping for a new 2 door with torturous back seats I would still choose another Porsche vs an M8.
Now when I want to feel raw power I hop on my beloved by me (but detested by my wife) Ninja H2C.

[Seaford]

Originally Posted by Carlito_UK

Christ!!! 840 drivers have really taken offence. If the 840 is the thinking man's car that you purchase using your head then no doubt M8/850i is a purchase of the heart.....each to their own.

I don’t think anyone has taken offence….how can you be offended by such a ridiculous post?

[Tenac]

Originally Posted by Forethat

My question is why the M8 is there as an option. Too heavy and too slow to be an option as a faster car. I fully understand why someone would buy the 840D or 840i, but I cannot for my life understand why anyone would buy an M8, simply because there is no need for a huge car that thinks it's a sports car. It isn't.

Looks like you copy and pasted the thread so makes sense you have a similar question. Aren't both the cars the same size?

[Tenac]

Originally Posted by Forethat

The discussion isn't about size, is it? Purpose appears to be the root cause of the debate.

You even claimed that others who opted for an 840i didn't actually HAVE a purpose, or that they possibly made it all up. I can assure you I didn't. Then you rambled about engine size. I have a 5.7L V12 in my garage and could ask why YOU bought a car with such a small engine?

A more reasonable explanation is that we all have different reasons for buying a particular car, whether that be an Italian classic that can barely fit you and your swimming trunks, or a German GT with an oversized engine to go with it. My purpose was to have something comfortable and quiet to drive between Sussex and South Yorkshire, and the 840i does that brilliantly. To be perfectly honest, the M8 would mess up that job by being too stiff. Simply put, the M8 is simply too uncomfortable for that job. As is the Aston.

Seems like my post caused you some distress, it wasn't supposed to as when I was curious on others actual thoughts of owning the 840i. If you read many posts many clearly identified their thoughts too. You seems to be triggered on my topic with your recent actions and creation of the copy paste post. Don't get me wrong I love funny stuff, but my comment you asked about size and my reply was size dunno what was missed there. Cheers buddy.

[Carlito_UK]

Originally Posted by Say My Name

I think we just get tired of feeling like we’re looked down upon and at times, ignored…like an Ecoboost owner in a Mustang forum. Human nature…

LOL!!!!! In fairness it was the 840i that got me to fall in love with the 8. The initial test drive I had was super impressive, made all the right noises to the other half about how I didn't need more power and how smooth the ride was. And then I test drove the M8 sigh!!!

[Forethat]

Originally Posted by m3_08

same reason AMG introduced SL43 after SL63 and SL55: attract more buyers for 99% same look. I think it's good to have those choices.

Trust me on this one - and I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about - there is NO similarity between the CLA45 and CLS63, they are two different cars. In BMW world that would be like comparing an 5 series with a 3 series. In fact, the 3 series has a longer wheelbase than a CLA.

The AMG CLA45 S is probably the worst piece of junk I have ever driven. On a normal street. I've owned a C63 AMG S as well. One of my worst car buys ever. The stiffness, burbles, crackles, and rattles in that car, dang... don't ask me why I bought it. It was fun in the tunnels for two weeks, and after that, I couldn't wait to get rid of the thing.

What is bizarre is that there are posters on here who honestly believe that people buy the 840i because they cannot afford - and really WANTED - to buy an M8. The truth is that the reason some owners of an M8 enjoy their cars (good on them) is the exact reason I DIDN'T want one. It's stiff and uncomfortable. It's bl**dy horrible to drive on the motorway for six hours. If more power while being comfortable is a requirement in a GT I would have gone for a Bentley Continental or a Taycan Turbo S (which is likely to replace the 840i).

[Forethat]

Originally Posted by Tenac

Seems like my post caused you some distress, it wasn't supposed to as when I was curious on others actual thoughts of owning the 840i. If you read many posts many clearly identified their thoughts too. You seems to be triggered on my topic with your recent actions and creation of the copy paste post. Don't get me wrong I love funny stuff, but my comment you asked about size and my reply was size dunno what was missed there. Cheers buddy.

Honestly, if you were "curious on others actual thoughts of owning the 840i" you should have just asked instead of initiating a debate by insulting others and calling them liars. And as I have previously pointed out, if you read my posts I have given you plenty of reasons as to exactly WHY I bought an 840i instead of the M8 that wouldn't have done the job remotely as well. In fact, the M8 would have been rather shite at it, and only a fool would have bought it for that reason. Stiff and uncomfortable.

Before I know it someone who owns an M8 Convertible will enter this thread and begin to ramble about performance, which would be as consistent as owning a Ferrari with a 1.4 liter Fiat engine. Even worse would be if the same person tried to convince others that he owned a performance vehicle by posting threads on the Ferrari forum where he heckles other users for not buying the Ferrari chassis with their 1.4 litre engines as HE did.

[Carlito_UK]

Ermmmmm Forethat did you not just post a similar thread about the M8? Batter change the batteries in the remote, the channel didn't change when you decided to switch.

[Seaford]

Originally Posted by Carlito_UK

Ermmmmm Forethat did you not just post a similar thread about the M8? Batter change the batteries in the remote, the channel didn't change when you decided to switch.

[Forethat]

Originally Posted by Carlito_UK

Ermmmmm Forethat did you not just post a similar thread about the M8? Batter change the batteries in the remote, the channel didn't change when you decided to switch.

I did. That thread was removed by the mods. They also removed a thread I started where I questioned whether members on this forum can be expected to be a bit...different, and if they suffer from hubris.

I guess what SHOULD be expected is that someone who posts pictures of his BMW, discusses how the next photo shoot with his BMW can be better, and spends time producing build threads where he describes exactly the latest mod on his BMW, posts ideas of what mod to do next on his BMW and end up posting thousands of posts about his BMW in a couple of years, finally runs out of topics where he can tell everybody how amazing his BMW - and decides to post a thread where he tells others how amazingly bad their BMW is so that they can understand how amazing his BMW is. You couldn't make it up.

In this case, OP also decided to tell everybody who doesn't agree with how amazing his BMW is, that they are liars and make everything up. Lord Flashheart was perhaps more honest:

Well, all right, you fellows. Let’s sit us down and yarn about how amazingly attractive I am.

[Bison840i]

Originally Posted by Carlito_UK

Christ!!! 840 drivers have really taken offence.

a thread slating the 840i on a forum with 840i drivers, who would have thought?


have to say OP you sound like a bit of an arrogant twat, that's just my honest opinion though, no offense.......(jk, but you get my point)


as for your 'why does this car even exist?'

well for a start as you may have guessed the cost, in some countries such as here in australia the cost varies significantly more

an 840i costs $230k, an m850i cost $330k, and an m8 costs $440k

so an 840i is already very expensive, an m850i is 100 grand more, that's approx $70000 US dollars equivalent, so there's that


as for your other points, the m440i is not more car, the b58 in it has more hp, that's it, a stage 1 or piggyback takes the 840i to 400hp, problem solved

the 840i is considerably more agile than the m850i, maybe the 840i xdrive isnt (haven't driven it), but the rwd certainly is

[PresM850i]

Originally Posted by Say My Name

I think we just get tired of feeling like we’re looked down upon and at times, ignored…like an Ecoboost owner in a Mustang forum. Human nature…

I think this thread has a decided split between UK and US respondents. In the UK, there is a big cost difference in initial cost and in fuel.

In the US the difference is much less. I did my due diligence by configuring both 840 and M850 identically, with Xdrive, rear steering and some of the other M options. The cost difference was just 10,000, so not really a big driver in decision making. Then it just came down to the engine, and the other chassis tuning. Much easier decision than for our UK brethren!

[Tenac]

Is there anyway we can close this thread? I feel as thought people just want to fight with others instead of just providing great talking points. If you read the first page and half the second there are some really great points that I missed from others. I even appreciated their input. Like I said it was my thoughts after driving one for a few hundred miles and for those who one many provided great detail. Others just simple get offended, not once did I say anything about the choice they made, but some decided to get upset. Let's keep this from going further and close this one out... geeeshhh

[Seaford]

Originally Posted by Tenac

Is there anyway we can close this thread? I feel as thought people just want to fight with others instead of just providing great talking points. If you read the first page and half the second there are some really great points that I missed from others. I even appreciated their input. Like I said it was my thoughts after driving one for a few hundred miles and for those who one many provided great detail. Others just simple get offended, not once did I say anything about the choice they made, but some decided to get upset. Let's keep this from going further and close this one out... geeeshhh

So in summary you have achieved your objective.

Have you considered a role in the diplomatic service??

[Tenac]

Originally Posted by Seaford

So in summary you have achieved your objective.

Have you considered a role in the diplomatic service??

[Beemer5to3]

Originally Posted by Tenac

To be fair, some of the language you used was quite contentious, but everyone’s entitled to their opionion - always happy to have a discussion, and it gives us something to do