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      03-27-2020, 07:13 PM   #23
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the only advantage is the convertible. if you want a big GT car, with v8 power, and a convertible top just above 6 figures; you're only choice is the m850i convertible.

go up to the mid 6 figure and high 6 figs, and you get your Ferrari Portofino and MB s560 and amg 63 convertibles.

go down and under 6 figures you get your Porshe and Mustang convertibles.

but at 6 figure luxury, with twin turbo v8s doing 0 to 60 in under 4 seconds with 4 seats and leather;
you're only talking the m850i.

period.
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the only advantage is the convertible. if you want a big GT car, with v8 power, and a convertible top just above 6 figures; you're only choice is the m850i convertible.

go up to the mid 6 figure and high 6 figs, and you get your Ferrari Portofino and MB s560 and amg 63 convertibles.

go down and under 6 figures you get your Porshe and Mustang convertibles.

but at 6 figure luxury, with twin turbo v8s doing 0 to 60 in under 4 seconds with 4 seats and leather;
you're only talking the m850i.

period.

The only new Porsche convertible you are going to get for less than 100k is a Boxster. Most base 992 cabs on dealer lots and ordered configs are between 120k and 130k. The 992 Carrera S/4S cabs will be between 140k and 160k. The turbo S will be between 220k and 250k with options.
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They might be having trouble but having a rare car is fine with me. I've gotten a lot more attention and positive comments on my M8C vert than my 911 Turbo. A GTR wanted to race today but I just let him go.
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the sales issue is only going to get worse in view of Kovid 19, UK deales already putting the M8 on the road for sub £100k, ie 30% discount even before haggling.
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      03-31-2020, 08:31 AM   #28
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Which are the numbers that state the bad sales of 8 series?
How many were planned to be sold and how many they actually sold?
A lot of at least stupid articles are written here and there.
The most funny thing is that some "experts" already know the root cause 😂
But it's entertaining to have this kind of articles too 🤔
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      03-31-2020, 06:05 PM   #29
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What are US dealers taking off on the M8 right now?
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What are US dealers taking off on the M8 right now?
Should we collectively pollute another thread or return to civil... ish?
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      03-31-2020, 07:33 PM   #31
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Not surprised honestly.

Whoever thought "hey, let's introduce a new car in a market that's losing sales to SUV's and pit it against one of the best sports cars ever made, the Porsche 911, and price it similarly. That sounds like a great idea!" - needs to be fired.

It's unfortunate, but what can we do. I've been peeping the used M5 market and it's crazy that the F90 with a clean title can be had for around 75k. Those of us in the market for an M8/M8GC in about 2 years or so will have our pick of the litter when they're down to 75-90k.
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Not surprised honestly.

Whoever thought "hey, let's introduce a new car in a market that's losing sales to SUV's and pit it against one of the best sports cars ever made, the Porsche 911, and price it similarly. That sounds like a great idea!" - needs to be fired.

It's unfortunate, but what can we do. I've been peeping the used M5 market and it's crazy that the F90 with a clean title can be had for around 75k. Those of us in the market for an M8/M8GC in about 2 years or so will have our pick of the litter when they're down to 75-90k.
Perhaps, but I get to drive one in the meantime.

I'd also add, the M8 feels "more" than an M5 in the same way an S-class 63 variant coupe feels more than an E63S. BMW have let the side down a little in the differentiating features, though, but I'll forgive them that omission as a V1 oversight. Beyond that, it drives and feels very special and garners attention like nothing I've experienced before... we'll see how long that lasts or how long I enjoy it for as time passes I guess.

// EDIT--just read Wolfman64's post: was it ever intended as a 911 compete model? Even the M8C Coupe isn't remotely the same. It certainly competes against the new Panamera--and wins in my opinion--but a 911?

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      03-31-2020, 08:24 PM   #33
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Not surprised honestly.

Whoever thought "hey, let's introduce a new car in a market that's losing sales to SUV's and pit it against one of the best sports cars ever made, the Porsche 911, and price it similarly. That sounds like a great idea!" - needs to be fired.

It's unfortunate, but what can we do. I've been peeping the used M5 market and it's crazy that the F90 with a clean title can be had for around 75k. Those of us in the market for an M8/M8GC in about 2 years or so will have our pick of the litter when they're down to 75-90k.
The car was developed to compete against the S-Class coupe, not the 911. Different buyer group.

Times have changed faster than the automotive development cycle. At the time when BMW planned to kill off the 6 Series, they saw the Mercedes made great money with their pricey coupe while BMW was losing money with the 6.

Now the coupes are replaced by high-end SUV's. Even with Porsche, the Macans and Cayennes bring home the money while the Panamera sells for much bigger discounts than the M8GC.
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I'm fickle; I get over things very quickly—plus I had absolutely no choice in the matter so there's that.

I got $13K plus incentives off of a $162K MSRP custom built M8C GC. And I lost multiple cars/deals to get there. While I suspect this is one of near-zero positive aspects of this Coronavirus, there's possibly some desperation on dealers' parts now to shift these expensive models—but it's a real occasion to drive them (price be damned... almost).
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I'm fickle; I get over things very quickly—plus I had absolutely no choice in the matter so there's that.

I got $13K plus incentives off of a $162K MSRP custom built M8C GC. And I lost multiple cars/deals to get there. While I suspect this is one of near-zero positive aspects of this Coronavirus, there's possibly some desperation on dealers' parts now to shift these expensive models—but it's a real occasion to drive them (price be damned... almost).
I ended up getting almost $25k off the sticker price of my M850i. Probably could have gotten a little more off too if I had waited an known they were gonna shutdown for the next month or so. But oh well it is what it is.
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I ended up getting almost $25k off the sticker price of my M850i. Probably could have gotten a little more off too if I had waited an known they were gonna shutdown for the next month or so. But oh well it is what it is.
Good for you!

That cannot be done (or perhaps couldn't pre-Coronavirus and possibly still not) with an M8 Comp GC--it's far too rare. Custom builds only make things worse--the rarer the car (in a good market... which it no longer is I guess), the harder it is to negotiate discounts. Market and market-availability influence things, too, so that's a good deal for HI I would guess (unless they were overloaded with them which seems very unlikely).

// EDIT: out of ~1,500 8-series in the country, there are 23 M8 Comp GCs (that's about 7 more than there were when I went looking)... so the volume situation hasn't changed; demand probably has... for all the horrible reasons.

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I ended up getting almost $25k off the sticker price of my M850i. Probably could have gotten a little more off too if I had waited an known they were gonna shutdown for the next month or so. But oh well it is what it is.
Good for you!

That cannot be done (or perhaps couldn't pre-Coronavirus and possibly still not) with an M8 Comp GC--it's far too rare. Custom builds only make things worse--the rarer the car (in a good market... which it no longer is I guess), the harder it is to negotiate discounts. Market and market-availability influence things, too, so that's a good deal for HI I would guess (unless they were overloaded with them which seems very unlikely).
They actually had about 3 or so 2019 M850i's for sale if I'm not mistaken. The one I picked up and 2 convertibles. They had just gotten a 2020 gran coupe in an individual green (see pic) but they wouldn't offer the same deal I got for my car.

The car I picked up was actually a custom order with an individual color that BMW screwed up on so the original customer no longer wanted it and it was sitting at the dealer for a while.

Market here on island is hard because it's not like I can tell them their price doesn't work and just drive to another dealer to look for a better offer.

When I picked up my last F80 M3 the demand was so high for them I couldn't barely get any deal on it. It came down to talking to the GM and he told me take it or leave it and if I didn't want it he would move on to the next customer on the waiting list.
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They actually had about 3 or so 2019 M850i's for sale if I'm not mistaken. The one I picked up and 2 convertibles. They had just gotten a 2020 gran coupe in an individual green (see pic) but they wouldn't offer the same deal I got for my car.

The car I picked up was actually a custom order with an individual color that BMW screwed up on so the original customer no longer wanted it and it was sitting at the dealer for a while.

Market here on island is hard because it's not like I can tell them their price doesn't work and just drive to another dealer to look for a better offer.

When I picked up my last F80 M3 the demand was so high for them I couldn't barely get any deal on it. It came down to talking to the GM and he told me take it or leave it and if I didn't want it he would move on to the next customer on the waiting list.
Whoa, that's green!!

Yeah, your market is tough, no doubt. The M850 GCs are available here en masse but the M8 GCs, especially the Comps, are still absurdly rare. Perhaps I'm a unicorn buyer but, to me, it doesn't feel like that much of a niche market.

Funnily enough, what I'm seeing online is that the market is literally flooded with M8 Coupes--that's probably where the deals are to be had.

On your closing comment wrt/ unique M3s: precisely the same here; they wouldn't budge. I lost 3 or more perfect builds before one dealer came back to me after a week or so. Lucky, lucky us I guess!
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They actually had about 3 or so 2019 M850i's for sale if I'm not mistaken. The one I picked up and 2 convertibles. They had just gotten a 2020 gran coupe in an individual green (see pic) but they wouldn't offer the same deal I got for my car.

The car I picked up was actually a custom order with an individual color that BMW screwed up on so the original customer no longer wanted it and it was sitting at the dealer for a while.

Market here on island is hard because it's not like I can tell them their price doesn't work and just drive to another dealer to look for a better offer.

When I picked up my last F80 M3 the demand was so high for them I couldn't barely get any deal on it. It came down to talking to the GM and he told me take it or leave it and if I didn't want it he would move on to the next customer on the waiting list.
Whoa, that's green!!

Yeah, your market is tough, no doubt. The M850 GCs are available here en masse but the M8 GCs, especially the Comps, are still absurdly rare. Perhaps I'm a unicorn buyer but, to me, it doesn't feel like that much of a niche market.

Funnily enough, what I'm seeing online is that the market is literally flooded with M8 Coupes--that's probably where the deals are to be had.

On your closing comment wrt/ unique M3s: precisely the same here; they wouldn't budge. I lost 3 or more perfect builds before one dealer came back to me after a week or so. Lucky, lucky us I guess!
Yeah it is green. Lol. But in person it's actually a nice green. Don't know what the actual color is called but it's almost a metallic green with gold pearl in it. Wife actually really liked that car and the fact that it is 4 doors. But dealer wanted almost $800 more a month than what I got our coupe for and that's with the coupe actually having a higher sticker price than this gran coupe. I just couldn't justify that difference in monthly payments and told her sorry. Lol.

I even tried to get the dealer to swap the wheels out from the car I got for the wheels of the green gran coupe but they told me they couldn't do that. Hahaha. Was worth a try.
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// EDIT--just read Wolfman64's post: was it ever intended as a 911 compete model? Even the M8C Coupe isn't remotely the same. It certainly competes against the new Panamera--and wins in my opinion--but a 911?
A M8C coupe is the hands down the winner over a Panamera. I had a Panamera on my shortlist but honestly didn't even do a test drive as the price to performance ratio of the M850i coupe at least in my opinion blew it away by the time I optioned up a Panamera for an equivalent build. Of course that doesn't even take the visual aesthetics of the M850i vs the Panamera into consideration. Throw that in and there is no questions asked as to the winner.
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So do I get to play in the forum as my 2020 M850i has a carbon fiber roof as well?
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// EDIT--just read Wolfman64's post: was it ever intended as a 911 compete model? Even the M8C Coupe isn't remotely the same. It certainly competes against the new Panamera--and wins in my opinion--but a 911?
A M8C coupe is the hands down the winner over a Panamera. I had a Panamera on my shortlist but honestly didn't even do a test drive as the price to performance ratio of the M850i coupe at least in my opinion blew it away by the time I optioned up a Panamera for an equivalent build. Of course that doesn't even take the visual aesthetics of the M850i vs the Panamera into consideration. Throw that in and there is no questions asked as to the winner.
Isn't the 8GC really the only true Panamera competitor, since the Panny is a 4-door hatch/wagon, I don't see the 8er 2-door coupe or vert being compared against a 4-door Porsche, at that point then the 911 coupe or vert would be a better competitor even though the argument is against the two of them being competitors.
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// EDIT--just read Wolfman64's post: was it ever intended as a 911 compete model? Even the M8C Coupe isn't remotely the same. It certainly competes against the new Panamera--and wins in my opinion--but a 911?
A M8C coupe is the hands down the winner over a Panamera. I had a Panamera on my shortlist but honestly didn't even do a test drive as the price to performance ratio of the M850i coupe at least in my opinion blew it away by the time I optioned up a Panamera for an equivalent build. Of course that doesn't even take the visual aesthetics of the M850i vs the Panamera into consideration. Throw that in and there is no questions asked as to the winner.
Isn't the 8GC really the only true Panamera competitor, since the Panny is a 4-door hatch/wagon, I don't see the 8er 2-door coupe or vert being compared against a 4-door Porsche, at that point then the 911 coupe or vert would be a better competitor even though the argument is against the two of them being competitors.
Dealers are flooded with M8's there probably have more incentives on them coming soon. I just did deal for a customer 20k off M8 Coupe.
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