[snareman]

I know there's a few of you here at least. Vic55 ?

Just doing some very early, like 2 to 3 years early, research here. I'm waiting to see what BMW comes up with post M8 coupe, if a new 6 series coupe materializes or not. I have no desire to buy a sedan in any form and would like something a little smaller than the M8 next go around. If BMW essentially stops making coupes and I have no desire to own another M4 in its current iteration then I have to look elsewhere for a sport group. Caymen's and 911's seemed like a next logical step. I don't have unlimited funds other brands start getting kind of exponentially more expensive above 911 territory.

I did an hour and a half with a private instructor at PECATL in a Caymen. Definitely a sporty car. I'd like to go back and try it with a 911 or do their mid-engine rear engine comparison experience. My friend and I are planning on a trip to California in the spring going to PECLA and Thermal for some driving experiences. I still think as I've said elsewhere that there's not another manufacturer that makes as a complete package of daily driver and sporty coupe as BMW does with M2, 4 and 8s but It seems that I may have to make a few concessions in that realm for my next car.

So how would you compare the overall ownership experience? The car will obviously drive different and more sporty being smaller. I have no doubt that that part is amazing. My question/concerns are nor the daily driver aspects... smaller iDrive type screens, no HUD, no trunk and the small frunk opens and closes like a regular hood would, which is to say not nice and easy like the automatic trunks that we have. It seems like that would be not ideal for daily in and out use of things like groceries or your work bag.

Thoughts?

[mikerx5]

Subbed - in the same boat. Still holding on to the M6 for now with no real idea on whats next.

I have been surprised how big the 911 interior is after sitting in a few, the seats have room, and the recent 992 redesign is stunning - a manual trans is available which I miss.

Considering the basic 911s arent a twin v8, I would assume it is a simpler system and perhaps more economic to maintain?

Seems to be the only car out there that excites me right now, besides an 8 - just not sure I am porsche guy!

[snareman]

Originally Posted by mikerx5

Subbed - in the same boat. Still holding on to the M6 for now with no real idea on whats next.

I have been surprised how big the 911 interior is after sitting in a few, the seats have room, and the recent 992 redesign is stunning - a manual trans is available which I miss.

Considering the basic 911s arent a twin v8, I would assume it is a simpler system and perhaps more economic to maintain?

Seems to be the only car out there that excites me right now, besides an 8 - just not sure I am porsche guy!

I've always been a Porsche admirer but never a Porsche guy. Trying to figure out if I could become one

[r33_RGSport]

I have owned 964 C2 and currently 997.1 C4S and 991.2 T.
Also did PECLA with 718 Cayman GTS since I always wanted to try mid-engine.

911 comparison wise, from 964 to 997 to 991, it becomes easier to drive. Yet it still have the distinct rear engine weight that need to be careful when swinging it.
While 718 Cayman, it is well balanced. Way easier to drive.

I did looked on 992 prior to my 991.2 purchase, but couldn’t justify the cheaper interior quality, bigger, and more thing to break or outdated in a long term (electronic gadgetry).

If you are looking for a 718 Cayman, the the very least I do suggest the GTS.

Hope this help.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by r33_RGSport

I have owned 964 C2 and currently 997.1 C4S and 991.2 T.
Also did PECLA with 718 Cayman GTS since I always wanted to try mid-engine.

911 comparison wise, from 964 to 997 to 991, it becomes easier to drive. Yet it still have the distinct rear engine weight that need to be careful when swinging it.
While 718 Cayman, it is well balanced. Way easier to drive.

I did looked on 992 prior to my 991.2 purchase, but couldn’t justify the cheaper interior quality, bigger, and more thing to break or outdated in a long term (electronic gadgetry).

If you are looking for a 718 Cayman, the the very least I do suggest the GTS.

Hope this help.

Pricewise I can go a lot higher in the 718 range. On the 911 side I was thinking Carrera S. How about 911 compared to M8?

[r33_RGSport]

Originally Posted by snareman

Pricewise I can go a lot higher in the 718 range. On the 911 side I was thinking Carrera S. How about 911 compared to M8?

2 different purpose.
911 is a pure sports car. M8 is sport sedan (coupe).
911 is built from the ground up with sports car in mind. M8 is build from the saloon make to be sporty.

Drive wise, 911 is more nimble than M8.

911, on 992 chassis, I would do GTS the very least. If you are thinking of S, might as well go with base. Because base and S are just a tune different. Everything on the engine are the same.

[snareman]

I get that the driving dynamics are going to be significantly different and I have no doubt I would enjoy the 911. I guess my real question is more on the daily driver aspects of the comparison... Tech, ease of use of storage space, etc. BMW does a glorious job with this stuff and I'm wondering how the lack of some of the features I'm used to in the Porsche would be.

[mikerx5]

I would aay the Carrera T would be my choice. Sport exhaust and trim, only comes in manual, no backseat, and a few different things - built as a tourer -

[MACHT]

I had a 992 C2S before the M8. While it was probably the best "driving" car I ever owned - it was NOT a 6 figure car. More a Miata for rich people .. . Materials were "ok" at the most, fit and finish sub-par and the infotainment an absolute joke. Dealership experience also nothing to write home about .. you want a loaner? Did you make a reservation 6 months (!!) in advance? When I complained about the performance of the infotainment (took like 3-4 minutes to boot) - I was told: "yeah .. we know ... look at the Panamera ... even worse". That was it, no fix. Performance wise the C2S is quite different than the M8 (mine was actually tuned by M-Engineering to ~600hp). Not much down low - you've got to rev and then oh boy ... all hell breaks loose. But let's be honest ... most we do is putzing around in traffic .. a little bit of back road driving here and there - but no track work at all. And putzing in traffic at low revs .. the TT V8 in the M8 feels like 3x as strong as the 3 liter boxer. I also like the amenities the M8 has to offer. Better materials, better craftsmanship, great infotainment, great engine sound. The 911 only beats it if you want to impress your neighbors.

And btw ... the engines of the S and GTS are exactly the same (just different tune) - the base has smaller turbos.

[Vic55]

Oh here we go.... these pcar discussions are far more prevalent in the G8X forums where I think that chassis and the 992 are more analogous in regards to comparisons.

My quick resume:

Nine 911's

5 Turbo or Turbo S's
C4S
GT3
2 GTS's

I have had every chassis variant since the 996 to the current iteration of 992. I have enjoyed every one of them but some slight more than others.

Im currently in a 992 GTS and find that the car is amazing for what I personally need on a daily basis and it does compliment the M8 which I have as well.

The 992 has upped the interior game in Porsche vs my older versions with a better infotainment system but its still not going to match up the 8 in the luxe department but the way I drive my cars: daily rips always over 100 mph, canyon twisters, and just pushing cars hard in general- its serves an incredible purpose. Of course my opine but I own the car(s) so thats factual.

The suspension geometry with the dampers and chassis relationship is incredible. The car soaks up the undulations and rarely comes unsettled even at higher speeds (road driving). I love the way the car feels from a cockpit standpoint; I feel like I am IN the seat vs on it. The 8 is faster (my GTS is tuned but so is the 8) but it doesnt give me the same involvement. Porsche is proof that its cars do more with less (hp/tq).

The steering is so good for an EPS setup with great point and turn but also brilliant road feel which isnt exactly there in the 8.

The exhaust is not half bad for a flat 6 turbo built engine. I have done exhaust work but I did it on the 8 too. My car roars with the high flow cats and can free rear section.

As I mentioned, inside the car is sufficient with a good info system and strong optics for road views. I love my 18 way seats, they are the best seats I have of the 6 cars I own (Plaid not listed below).

I cant type here and not mention just how good the 8 is too. If one is a GT car type of driver, its arguably better because a GT car to me brings looks, power/speed, and luxury at the higher levels. The 8 does things the GTS doesnt do for alot and even for me. The sheer brutality of the launch and the S63tu V8 rips are amazing. To have both its incredible.

Now I have driven the 992 Turbo S and its stupid fast and even my tuned GTS cant compete (gain of about 100hp/100tq) but I have not jumped there yet My prior Turbo S's were are all incredible too with similar, at the time of tech, driving characteristics that the 992 now has. Great steering, dampening, grip at speed, etc. So yes Im a Pcar fanboy but equally M having owned or owning 13 M's.

Alot of my experience is how I drive, where I drive, and what I drive. If smaller items are things you must have in the luxe department, the M8 or any car that is like that down the road will be your choice. Those items are nice for me too but never ever deal breakers.

The GTS doesnt make sense for all, there are alot of discussions on Rennlist for and against. It was the best option I had at the time back in May of 2022. I get the Turbo suspension and brakes along with centerlocks. The Hp bump is moot since I tuned it but the GTS interior package is nice. The options on the car along with the original base of 136k pre options and RWD were a good fit; the current base is now 153ish... but any 992 will be amazing as Ive driven all versions rather extensively. Pricing does suck and ADM's are stupid but that is just a derivative of the market sadly I say.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Vic55

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Thanks for the reply. Yea, I agree they are obviously different cars compared to the G8x types. I wish I was so lucky as to have some cool places to drive my cars a little more spiritedly, but alas, Ohio sucks in that department. So while I'd enjoy the driving experience as much as possible, the lack of exciting roads leads to also wanting more of the creature comforts out of the car. I'd still have an SUV for utility purposes so I suppose there could be a little leeway there. Maybe by 2025ish the market with ADMs and such will have calmed down some.

[naiza3k]

I’ve owned a 991.2 911 Turbo and a year later a 991.2 911 Turbo S. Both great cars but if you are looking for a GT car to serve as a daily and can turn it on for weekend warrior driving then m8 comp is where it’s at. Current DD a 23 m8comp gran coupe, the kids are comfortable and it’s pretty capable.

Now if it was a 911 gt3 or gt3rs then that’s a different story.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by naiza3k

I’ve owned a 991.2 911 Turbo and a year later a 991.2 911 Turbo S. Both great cars but if you are looking for a GT car to serve as a daily and can turn it on for weekend warrior driving then m8 comp is where it’s at. Current DD a 23 m8comp gran coupe, the kids are comfortable and it’s pretty capable.

Now if it was a 911 gt3 or gt3rs then that’s a different story.

Thanks, yea, the M8 is amazing but, the challenge comes in 3 years or so when there is no more M8 and I have the itch to get something new and exciting.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by snareman

Thanks, yea, the M8 is amazing but, the challenge comes in 3 years or so when there is no more M8 and I have the itch to get something new and exciting.

3 years from now is a long time and there will be something--- for some reason I thought you were asking about a more relevant time frame.

The new RS6 and RS7 cars are getting pretty good reviews and noted improvements over their prior year models. The new M5 aka G90 could be interesting as a hybrid. There will always be options.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Vic55

3 years from now is a long time and there will be something—- for some reason I thought you were asking about a more relevant time frame.

The new RS6 and RS7 cars are getting pretty good reviews and noted improvements over their prior year models. The new M5 aka G90 could be interesting as a hybrid. There will always be options.

No no. Lol. No relevant discussion here. Just future figurative discussion. 🙂🙂. The RS6 and 7 and M5 all have too many doors though...

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by snareman

No no. Lol. No relevant discussion here. Just future figurative discussion. 🙂🙂. The RS6 and 7 and M5 all have too many doors though...

my lord you are picky for someone that is 3 years out

and I wrote up that entire summation- I feel used

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Vic55

my lord you are picky for someone that is 3 years out

and I wrote up that entire summation- I feel used

It was a marvelous bit of prose. And I'm smarter for it. 🙂

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by snareman

It was a marvelous bit of prose. And I'm smarter for it. 🙂

vic55 has left the discussion.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Vic55

vic55 has left the discussion.

Full disclosure though, it did say I was that far out in the first sentence of my post.

[BMWGUYinCO]

I think in the grand scheme of things, there are many cars/options in this segment and unless you try one, you'll always wonder. Every time I get a new car, I think "This is the last car - what more do I need?"

Then along comes something else interesting and Boom! New car time.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by BMWGUYinCO

I think in the grand scheme of things, there are many cars/options in this segment and unless you try one, you'll always wonder. Every time I get a new car, I think "This is the last car - what more do I need?"

Then along comes something else interesting and Boom! New car time.

Part of the fun of the hunt

[KONG991TT]

911 owner here. I will admit, I'm a P car guy. I've seen the light. I've got a 991 Turbo that I've done about 30k worth of track miles on. Having owned and tracked a few BMW's over the last 2 decades across the model ranges (3/M3/5/X5/8) before switching to Porsche.

I will say (at much peril given the company) that there's absolutely nothing that BMW makes that is comparable to a 911.

Even the M cars are nothing more than the street variety with go-fast parts to make them sporty. A 911 was born as a sports car. Don't get me wrong, I love my 8 cabrio and it's a good car. It's comfortable, has great presence and I love the sounds but it's too heavy and numb for any real performance driving.

I enjoy driving the 8 but will miss the 911. I have fun driving the 911 but will never miss the 8. Porsche delivers a better driving experience.