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      10-18-2019, 10:48 PM   #45
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I don't get everyone's lust over RS6, still prefer E63S wagon
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To everyone lusting after an RS6 - I wonder if this is 3 factors added together. One, a new one has just come out. Two, they haven't been in the states before. Three, they have a history of 4 versions now.

Obviously I haven't driven the new one but I spent a lot of time in the C7 shape and they honestly aren't that great. As people always say they are very inert and feel very heavy but what few people report on is the amount of torque steer that the C6 and C7 generations have. I also found the interior very low rent with plastic everywhere. Compared to the M5 and M6 with full leather the interior on the C7 looked like it was competing against the E39, not the F10/F13 generation.

The C8 finally has an option for a leather dash but I'm sceptical about everything being controlled via touch.

I'm very jealous of the 10 piston brake calipers though

I test drove the E63 S, 2018, and it was a bit hard, brash, a little too sporty even in it's comfort setting for normal daily tasks. I also don't like the blingy style to the interior, it just felt a bit... Rory Reid. Exterior color options are just different shades of white, black, and grey, super boring.

The RS6 has nice sharp lines, box looking flared wheel arches which is just cool. The interior is functional and high quality, more BMW-like than Merc bling which appeals to my Bavarian tastes. And the air suspension should make it comfortable for the daily stuff, long road trips with the family, but sporty and fast enough for the odd track day.

An M5 wagon would easily be best out of all options but BMW has completely given up on us wagon enthusiasts.
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I have alway loved the Merc and Audi wagons! I wished they sold them here in the US like they do overseas! However, I also find it hard to "fall" into cars nowadays having some back issues so I do love my SU/AV. I can slide right in and out! If the wagons were as readily available, it would have been a tough choice! I love the E63 and RS6's. I think they look even better than their sedan siblings!
Merc and Audi do sell their wagons in the US. Merc with the E-class wagon (inc E63 S) and Audi next year with the RS6 Avant and, maybe, A6 Avant.
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I used to live in Europe, there's $80-90k station wagons but don't remember seeing any baller families in $140k station wagons.
Not true!

I live 50 miles away from Ingolstadt (Audi) and 100 miles away from Munich (BMW). A lot of wealthy entepreneurs and CEOs drive BMW, Audi, Mercedes wagons (M550d, RS6, E63amg).

In Germany a powerful wagon fits the suit of a professional manager, who likes it sporty but wants to keep a reputable impression.

We have the alps around and a lot of those people spend their weekends with their family mountain biking, hiking or skiing. Nothing better than a wagon for this.
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I used to live in Europe, there's $80-90k station wagons but don't remember seeing any baller families in $140k station wagons.
Not true!

I live 50 miles away from Ingolstadt (Audi) and 100 miles away from Munich (BMW). A lot of wealthy entepreneurs and CEOs drive BMW, Audi, Mercedes wagons (M550d, RS6, E63amg).

In Germany a powerful wagon fits the suit of a professional manager, who likes it sporty but wants to keep a reputable impression.

We have the alps around and a lot of those people spend their weekends with their family mountain biking, hiking or skiing. Nothing better than a wagon for this.
What better reason can you think of, to get support from the boss, to buy a fast estate? 😉
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I'm probably the only US person that still sees utility in Estate wagons/station wagon/Touring .

My personal dream would be to see an M3 or M5 touring be available in USA. For me a touring car gives me utility like an suv but much more driving like a car. Make it an M3/M5 and I am all in.
Again , I'm probably the only person from the states who thinks that (it seems)
You're not the only one. But for some financial reasons that BMW uses as justification, they are not keen on giving us 340i or even a 335i touring version let alone an M3 variant... They are focused on the suv market even though Audi finally made the call to bring their RS Avants to the us and Mercedes has been selling their AMG beasts here for years.

I get it since they've spent the money on suv manufacturing facilities but sling a decent engine/drivetrain/suspension (M-Sport or M40?) in a 3er/5er touring chassis and take care of us that want it in the states.

Think about this, make the 3er touring affordable and market it to young families. Introduce the sport wagons with the beefy performance and aero and they'll go from one to the other. Plus, you'll still have plenty of suv sales with your big giant grilles and seven passengers. It's a win/win!

BMWNA, I'll trade in my X5 and take an M340i touring in whatever purple you got with extended white interior and black trim/wheels, thank you.
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I'm probably the only US person that still sees utility in Estate wagons/station wagon/Touring .

My personal dream would be to see an M3 or M5 touring be available in USA. For me a touring car gives me utility like an suv but much more driving like a car. Make it an M3/M5 and I am all in.
Again , I'm probably the only person from the states who thinks that (it seems)
You're not alone geek!!
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I'm probably the only US person that still sees utility in Estate wagons/station wagon/Touring .

My personal dream would be to see an M3 or M5 touring be available in USA. For me a touring car gives me utility like an suv but much more driving like a car. Make it an M3/M5 and I am all in.
Again , I'm probably the only person from the states who thinks that (it seems)
You're not alone geek!!
Glad I am not alone. I wasn't expecting this many people in my camp. I am really happy but also sad that BMWNA has no plans for this.
I'm driving a '19 M550i right now. If that was a wagon I would not be looking for the next car.
1. Fast
2. Sensible room for hauling stuff
3. Drives like a car

What's not to love?
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Love a good wagon !!!
Need space for my Labrador and having owned an x5 a few yrs back still don't really get the SUV bit, the dog can jump in my F31 but never fancied his chances jumping in the X5.
But pretty sure global sales of X3 / X5 more than 3 / 5 series now so do get why BMW really focused on SUV products.

I'm hoping the M340i tourer sells in bucket loads and convinces BMW there is a market for a M3 touring.
A M5 touring would also have me and many others running to our dealership I'm sure

Oh yes and if there wasn't a market for faster tourers / wagons they wouldn't make RS4/6's E63's or these.

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Love a good wagon !!!
Need space for my Labrador and having owned an x5 a few yrs back still don't really get the SUV bit, the dog can jump in my F31 but never fancied his chances jumping in the X5.
But pretty sure global sales of X3 / X5 more than 3 / 5 series now so do get why BMW really focused on SUV products.

I'm hoping the M340i tourer sells in bucket loads and convinces BMW there is a market for a M3 touring.
A M5 touring would also have me and many others running to our dealership I'm sure

Oh yes and if there wasn't a market for faster tourers / wagons they wouldn't make RS4/6's E63's or these.
Agree wholeheartedly about the height of SUVs, both for a dog to jump in to, but more importantly, it is too high a jump from an SUV and could be damaging to the ankle joints, so is to be avoided.

If I start being sensible or have to do a higher mileage with work, I would look at the M340i touring too.

Having driven 5 series for years (3 cars over 10 years), I now prefer the physical size of something like a 3 series, so an M5 touring would be too big. But then again, who knows😉

I nearly bought one, when I last changed jobs 5 years ago...this was it before the dealer had prepared it for sale.
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These performance wagons are very tempting. I do love the RS6, but I'd probably get an E63S wagon, preferably for the interior and correct engine placement and awesome exhaust!

Every time I see one at the dealer I have to talk myself out of test driving one, because if I do, I'll end up buying it.

There was one at the dealer in a gorgeous blue when I got my CLS, and I was practically drooling!
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These performance wagons are very tempting. I do love the RS6, but I'd probably get an E63S wagon, preferably for the interior and correct engine placement and awesome exhaust!

Every time I see one at the dealer I have to talk myself out of test driving one, because if I do, I'll end up buying it.

There was one at the dealer in a gorgeous blue when I got my CLS, and I was practically drooling!
And here's mine.
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These performance wagons are very tempting. I do love the RS6, but I'd probably get an E63S wagon, preferably for the interior and correct engine placement and awesome exhaust!

Every time I see one at the dealer I have to talk myself out of test driving one, because if I do, I'll end up buying it.

There was one at the dealer in a gorgeous blue when I got my CLS, and I was practically drooling!
And here's mine.
This thread is such a bad influence on me!

And that is a gorgeous C63, I love the contrast with the white and black trim!
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These performance wagons are very tempting. I do love the RS6, but I'd probably get an E63S wagon, preferably for the interior and correct engine placement and awesome exhaust!

Every time I see one at the dealer I have to talk myself out of test driving one, because if I do, I'll end up buying it.

There was one at the dealer in a gorgeous blue when I got my CLS, and I was practically drooling!
And here's mine.
This thread is such a bad influence on me!

And that is a gorgeous C63, I love the contrast with the white and black trim!
When I bought it, the badges were the standard chrome ones, so I changed them to black.
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2020 Audi RS6 Avant > this
Yes, but IMO a G81 M3 Touring would be >> Avants RS6

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I didn't realize there was a market for $140k station wagons
There is a market for Wagons, but it needs to be G80 platform, IMO.
That is where the manual transmission will be offered.

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What is the point? If you want a spacious car get the X7, if you want a sporty car get the 8 series. If you want an 8 series GT, then you can most probably afford both an 8 series and an X7 together.

This car makes no sense at all. Doesn't even look good. But, to each his own I guess.
Does not make sense to you, but an M-wagon would be
Especially with a 6MT. Does a Golf R makes sense? This is the same concept, but larger......

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I'm probably the only US person that still sees utility in Estate wagons/station wagon/Touring .

My personal dream would be to see an M3 or M5 touring be available in USA. For me a touring car gives me utility like an suv but much more driving like a car. Make it an M3/M5 and I am all in.
Again , I'm probably the only person from the states who thinks that (it seems)
I agree, but I hear it all the time, enthusiasts love Wagons, but the last one to offer a manual was the Cadillac CTS and it has held it's value very well, there is a market. BMW cites lack of Sales on the F31 Sports Wagon, but that was not an enthusiast spec.

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I'm not holding my breath on any touring +M cars making it to the states. It sure would be nice though. We have way too many SUV's if you ask me. Touring cars are a great middle ground between SUV/minivan and autos.

I would rather see a M series touring than another X3/5 M.
Totally agree, why not offer a Touring? No desire for a sporty SUV, but I would absolutely buy a Touring if 6MT were available.

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Perhaps not the M8, but an M3 and M5 would work. Tourings handle much better than SUVs, so I for one understand the why.

Audi sell the RS4 and RS6, and MB, the C63 and E63, so why not BMW?

I opted for the C63 S, because it works for my dog and bikes (and has 510 PS).


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Not really actually. Some of us have built M3 wagons so there is a market for them. I built mine back in 2013.
I saw an F80 converted Wagon driving this Summer it was amazing, and I think about that car all the time, it would be the ideal enthusiast do-it-all car.
How is this the same concept as a Golf R? Hahaha
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I drove an RS6 performance last year, as well as an RS4 and whilst both were fast - obviously the 6 was faster - they both felt very unengaging. Pretty much as the toad tests say. Great traction, but not fun.

They say the same about the RS5 and whilst the C63 S can be a bit of a handful, it gives it character, just like my M3 comp has.

Drive them and see if you agree.
Yes point and click performance is only fun to a point. Outright speed has taken over from the actual driving experience in a lot of cars, which is a shame.
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2020 Audi RS6 Avant > this
Yes, but IMO a G81 M3 Touring would be >> Avants RS6

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I didn't realize there was a market for $140k station wagons
There is a market for Wagons, but it needs to be G80 platform, IMO.
That is where the manual transmission will be offered.

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What is the point? If you want a spacious car get the X7, if you want a sporty car get the 8 series. If you want an 8 series GT, then you can most probably afford both an 8 series and an X7 together.

This car makes no sense at all. Doesn't even look good. But, to each his own I guess.
Does not make sense to you, but an M-wagon would be
Especially with a 6MT. Does a Golf R makes sense? This is the same concept, but larger......

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I'm probably the only US person that still sees utility in Estate wagons/station wagon/Touring .

My personal dream would be to see an M3 or M5 touring be available in USA. For me a touring car gives me utility like an suv but much more driving like a car. Make it an M3/M5 and I am all in.
Again , I'm probably the only person from the states who thinks that (it seems)
I agree, but I hear it all the time, enthusiasts love Wagons, but the last one to offer a manual was the Cadillac CTS and it has held it's value very well, there is a market. BMW cites lack of Sales on the F31 Sports Wagon, but that was not an enthusiast spec.

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I'm not holding my breath on any touring +M cars making it to the states. It sure would be nice though. We have way too many SUV's if you ask me. Touring cars are a great middle ground between SUV/minivan and autos.

I would rather see a M series touring than another X3/5 M.
Totally agree, why not offer a Touring? No desire for a sporty SUV, but I would absolutely buy a Touring if 6MT were available.

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Perhaps not the M8, but an M3 and M5 would work. Tourings handle much better than SUVs, so I for one understand the why.

Audi sell the RS4 and RS6, and MB, the C63 and E63, so why not BMW?

I opted for the C63 S, because it works for my dog and bikes (and has 510 PS).


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Not really actually. Some of us have built M3 wagons so there is a market for them. I built mine back in 2013.
I saw an F80 converted Wagon driving this Summer it was amazing, and I think about that car all the time, it would be the ideal enthusiast do-it-all car.
How is this the same concept as a Golf R? Hahaha
Maybe this?

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review...ck-2018-review

Do you guys get these in the US?
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2020 Audi RS6 Avant > this
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I didn't realize there was a market for $140k station wagons
There is a market for Wagons, but it needs to be G80 platform, IMO.
That is where the manual transmission will be offered.

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What is the point? If you want a spacious car get the X7, if you want a sporty car get the 8 series. If you want an 8 series GT, then you can most probably afford both an 8 series and an X7 together.

This car makes no sense at all. Doesn't even look good. But, to each his own I guess.
Does not make sense to you, but an M-wagon would be
Especially with a 6MT. Does a Golf R makes sense? This is the same concept, but larger......

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I'm probably the only US person that still sees utility in Estate wagons/station wagon/Touring .

My personal dream would be to see an M3 or M5 touring be available in USA. For me a touring car gives me utility like an suv but much more driving like a car. Make it an M3/M5 and I am all in.
Again , I'm probably the only person from the states who thinks that (it seems)
I agree, but I hear it all the time, enthusiasts love Wagons, but the last one to offer a manual was the Cadillac CTS and it has held it's value very well, there is a market. BMW cites lack of Sales on the F31 Sports Wagon, but that was not an enthusiast spec.

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I'm not holding my breath on any touring +M cars making it to the states. It sure would be nice though. We have way too many SUV's if you ask me. Touring cars are a great middle ground between SUV/minivan and autos.

I would rather see a M series touring than another X3/5 M.
Totally agree, why not offer a Touring? No desire for a sporty SUV, but I would absolutely buy a Touring if 6MT were available.

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Perhaps not the M8, but an M3 and M5 would work. Tourings handle much better than SUVs, so I for one understand the why.

Audi sell the RS4 and RS6, and MB, the C63 and E63, so why not BMW?

I opted for the C63 S, because it works for my dog and bikes (and has 510 PS).


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Not really actually. Some of us have built M3 wagons so there is a market for them. I built mine back in 2013.
I saw an F80 converted Wagon driving this Summer it was amazing, and I think about that car all the time, it would be the ideal enthusiast do-it-all car.
How is this the same concept as a Golf R? Hahaha
Maybe this?

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review...ck-2018-review

Do you guys get these in the US?
Again, how is that different? Plenty of these around the UK along with ST estates.

You can buy a golf estate, you pretty much always could since the Mk4.

An 8 series estate would never ever make sense. Only Mercedes has done a coupe estate "shooting break" and that's been a huge success no?
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Yes, but IMO a G81 M3 Touring would be >> Avants RS6

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I didn't realize there was a market for $140k station wagons
There is a market for Wagons, but it needs to be G80 platform, IMO.
That is where the manual transmission will be offered.

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What is the point? If you want a spacious car get the X7, if you want a sporty car get the 8 series. If you want an 8 series GT, then you can most probably afford both an 8 series and an X7 together.

This car makes no sense at all. Doesn't even look good. But, to each his own I guess.
Does not make sense to you, but an M-wagon would be
Especially with a 6MT. Does a Golf R makes sense? This is the same concept, but larger......

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I'm probably the only US person that still sees utility in Estate wagons/station wagon/Touring .

My personal dream would be to see an M3 or M5 touring be available in USA. For me a touring car gives me utility like an suv but much more driving like a car. Make it an M3/M5 and I am all in.
Again , I'm probably the only person from the states who thinks that (it seems)
I agree, but I hear it all the time, enthusiasts love Wagons, but the last one to offer a manual was the Cadillac CTS and it has held it's value very well, there is a market. BMW cites lack of Sales on the F31 Sports Wagon, but that was not an enthusiast spec.

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I'm not holding my breath on any touring +M cars making it to the states. It sure would be nice though. We have way too many SUV's if you ask me. Touring cars are a great middle ground between SUV/minivan and autos.

I would rather see a M series touring than another X3/5 M.
Totally agree, why not offer a Touring? No desire for a sporty SUV, but I would absolutely buy a Touring if 6MT were available.

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Perhaps not the M8, but an M3 and M5 would work. Tourings handle much better than SUVs, so I for one understand the why.

Audi sell the RS4 and RS6, and MB, the C63 and E63, so why not BMW?

I opted for the C63 S, because it works for my dog and bikes (and has 510 PS).


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Not really actually. Some of us have built M3 wagons so there is a market for them. I built mine back in 2013.
I saw an F80 converted Wagon driving this Summer it was amazing, and I think about that car all the time, it would be the ideal enthusiast do-it-all car.
How is this the same concept as a Golf R? Hahaha
Maybe this?

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review...ck-2018-review

Do you guys get these in the US?
Again, how is that different? Plenty of these around the UK along with ST estates.

You can buy a golf estate, you pretty much always could since the Mk4.

An 8 series estate would never ever make sense. Only Mercedes has done a coupe estate "shooting break" and that's been a huge success no?
I thought the M8 idea was as an estate rather than a shooting brake...?

Perhaps I have missed something.
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