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      02-26-2021, 09:27 AM   #1
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Has anyone else experienced this issue? It was intermittent so I booked the car in next week but it may have finally had enough this morning.

It sounds like it's going to start, you hear the little click but then silence. Obviously, I try again and again until it pops a starter motor failure error (the code thrown is 216119).

Any workaround in the meantime would be a gem but I'm not optimistic. Bummer.
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Has anyone else experienced this issue? It was intermittent so I booked the car in next week but it may have finally had enough this morning.

It sounds like it's going to start, you hear the little click but then silence. Obviously, I try again and again until it pops a starter motor failure error (the code thrown is 216119).

Any workaround in the meantime would be a gem but I'm not optimistic. Bummer.
Sorry Dean-- thats something Ive yet to encounter.

Does it even turn over or just clicks?
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Has anyone else experienced this issue? It was intermittent so I booked the car in next week but it may have finally had enough this morning.

It sounds like it's going to start, you hear the little click but then silence. Obviously, I try again and again until it pops a starter motor failure error (the code thrown is 216119).

Any workaround in the meantime would be a gem but I'm not optimistic. Bummer.
Sorry Dean-- thats something Ive yet to encounter.

Does it even turn over or just clicks?
Just clicks.

I got it started again after I posted, went out to run some errands and intended to leave it running & locked. Of course, autopilot kicked in and I turned it off. So I may be here longer than intended. :
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Just clicks.

I got it started again after I posted, went out to run some errands and intended to leave it running & locked. Of course, autopilot kicked in and I turned it off. So I may be here longer than intended. :
Shit--- no turn over sometimes means alternator issues as a weak battery would/should still yield a weak crank.
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Just clicks.

I got it started again after I posted, went out to run some errands and intended to leave it running & locked. Of course, autopilot kicked in and I turned it off. So I may be here longer than intended. :
Shit--- no turn over sometimes means alternator issues as a weak battery would/should still yield a weak crank.
The car's got power—well, enough to drive the electronics and soft close doors, etc.
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Just clicks.

I got it started again after I posted, went out to run some errands and intended to leave it running & locked. Of course, autopilot kicked in and I turned it off. So I may be here longer than intended. :
Shit--- no turn over sometimes means alternator issues as a weak battery would/should still yield a weak crank.
The car's got power—well, enough to drive the electronics and soft close doors, etc.
these new bmw have multiple batteries, while I haven't any problems in the M850i; I think Vic is right. could be your alternator based on my experience with older cars. but I don't know.

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Fault Code DescriptionThe diagnosis monitors the voltage supply for the starter motor.
Fault monitoring conditions:
The fault is entered when at least one of the following faults is detected:
- Wires or plug connections faulty
- Voltage supply defective
- Starter contacts are iced up

Service Plan
The starter relay may freeze at ambient temperatures below 0°C.
Perform following checks:
1. Carry out functional check.
2. Check wires and plug connections
2. Check voltage supply and ground connection.
3. Check lines and plug connections between the following components: DME, integrated supply module, FEM/CAS/BDC and vehicle battery.
4. Check vehicle battery.
5. Check starter motor relay and integrated supply module.

Service Plan
1. Check line and plug connections
2. Check voltage supply and ground connection
3. Check wires and plug connections between following components: DME, integrated supply module, FEM/CAS/BDC and vehicle battery.
4. Check vehicle battery.
5. Check starter motor relay and integrated supply module.

Service Plan
The starter relay may freeze at ambient temperatures below 0°C.
Perform following checks:
1. Carry out functional check.
2. Check wires and plug connections
2. Check voltage supply and ground connection.
3. Check lines and plug connections between the following components: DME, integrated supply module, FEM/CAS/BDC and vehicle battery.
4. Check vehicle battery.
5. Check starter motor relay and integrated supply module.
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Just clicks.

I got it started again after I posted, went out to run some errands and intended to leave it running & locked. Of course, autopilot kicked in and I turned it off. So I may be here longer than intended. :
Shit--- no turn over sometimes means alternator issues as a weak battery would/should still yield a weak crank.
The car's got power—well, enough to drive the electronics and soft close doors, etc.
these new bmw have multiple batteries, while I haven't any problems in the M850i; I think Vic is right. could be your alternator based on my experience with older cars. but I don't know.

the internet says:

Fault Code DescriptionThe diagnosis monitors the voltage supply for the starter motor.
Fault monitoring conditions:
The fault is entered when at least one of the following faults is detected:
- Wires or plug connections faulty
- Voltage supply defective
- Starter contacts are iced up

Service Plan
The starter relay may freeze at ambient temperatures below 0°C.
Perform following checks:
1. Carry out functional check.
2. Check wires and plug connections
2. Check voltage supply and ground connection.
3. Check lines and plug connections between the following components: DME, integrated supply module, FEM/CAS/BDC and vehicle battery.
4. Check vehicle battery.
5. Check starter motor relay and integrated supply module.

Service Plan
1. Check line and plug connections
2. Check voltage supply and ground connection
3. Check wires and plug connections between following components: DME, integrated supply module, FEM/CAS/BDC and vehicle battery.
4. Check vehicle battery.
5. Check starter motor relay and integrated supply module.

Service Plan
The starter relay may freeze at ambient temperatures below 0°C.
Perform following checks:
1. Carry out functional check.
2. Check wires and plug connections
2. Check voltage supply and ground connection.
3. Check lines and plug connections between the following components: DME, integrated supply module, FEM/CAS/BDC and vehicle battery.
4. Check vehicle battery.
5. Check starter motor relay and integrated supply module.
The car was put on a flatbed tow truck last night.
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So sorry to hear that! Hopefully it all gets resolved soon.
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So sorry to hear that! Hopefully it all gets resolved soon.


What's worse—which is what the pictures were supposed to show—is they reversed the tow truck into my rear end and scratched the $hit out of the CF diffuser as well as scraping the rear passenger side sill. When it rains, it p..... pisses me off!

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So sorry to hear that! Hopefully it all gets resolved soon.


What's worse—which is what pictures the were supposed to show—is they reversed the tow truck into my rear end and scratched the $hit out of the CF diffuser as well as scraping the rear passenger side sill. When it rains, it p..... pisses me off!

Arrrrrgggg! I was hoping that was a bad reflection due to lighting or something. Effin bummer right there.
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What's worse—which is what the pictures were supposed to show—is they reversed the tow truck into my rear end and scratched the $hit out of the CF diffuser as well as scraping the rear passenger side sill. When it rains, it p..... pisses me off!

That's crazy!! Hope they have some good insurance as both are pricey to take care of.
Looks like a deeper scrape on the CF and the lower panel needs a respray by a really good shop in order to match (unless it's just on PPF).
I am sure they think they can just buff those out

Just looking of how tight these straps were tensioned...

At least the starter will be a quick repair. Good luck!
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What's worse—which is what the pictures were supposed to show—is they reversed the tow truck into my rear end and scratched the $hit out of the CF diffuser as well as scraping the rear passenger side sill. When it rains, it p..... pisses me off!

Sorry to hear that man! Thats freaking awful
You start with a minor problem and you end up with this
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What's worse—which is what the pictures were supposed to show—is they reversed the tow truck into my rear end and scratched the $hit out of the CF diffuser as well as scraping the rear passenger side sill. When it rains, it p..... pisses me off!

I noticed that in the pics and at first thought it was lighting in the shot on the CF diffuser but the door sill was a definite scrape. Total bummer and just adds insult to injury with the starter debacle which shouldn't be taking place on a <1 year old car.

Have my fingers crossed that the BMW dealer makes it all right!
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How is your beautiful car making out?
Thanks for asking!

She's mechanically sound and the tow company agreed to pay out-of-pocket for the CF diffuser parts and labor. However, that money hasn't materialized yet. I remain optimistic (perhaps naively).
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Thanks for asking!

She's mechanically sound and the tow company agreed to pay out-of-pocket for the CF diffuser parts and labor. However, that money hasn't materialized yet. I remain optimistic (perhaps naively).
Glad to hear it! I am sure it will work out, be well!
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How is your beautiful car making out?
Thanks for asking!

She's mechanically sound and the tow company agreed to pay out-of-pocket for the CF diffuser parts and labor. However, that money hasn't materialized yet. I remain optimistic (perhaps naively).
Who hired the tow company, you or the dealership?

Either way tell ask them for their registered agent and address for service of paperwork for your attorney's lawsuit.
You're not threatening them, just asking for a name and address. But I assure you, they will get the message and send a check.
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She's mechanically sound and the tow company agreed to pay out-of-pocket for the CF diffuser parts and labor. However, that money hasn't materialized yet. I remain optimistic (perhaps naively).
That's great to hear! What was the fix if you don't mind sharing?
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She's mechanically sound and the tow company agreed to pay out-of-pocket for the CF diffuser parts and labor. However, that money hasn't materialized yet. I remain optimistic (perhaps naively).
That's great to hear! What was the fix if you don't mind sharing?
A short on the starter. They asked if the JB4 was drawing power while the engine was shut off. I explained the connections and they agreed not that. They ordered a new starter. Once it arrived, they found the wiring short while starting the install of it... and the new one was ultimately unnecessary.

The new CF pieces are less than I thought: ~$1,200 installed.
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She's mechanically sound and the tow company agreed to pay out-of-pocket for the CF diffuser parts and labor. However, that money hasn't materialized yet. I remain optimistic (perhaps naively).
That's great to hear! What was the fix if you don't mind sharing?
A short on the starter. They asked if the JB4 was drawing power while the engine was shut off. I explained the connections and they agreed not that. They ordered a new starter. Once it arrived, they found the wiring short while starting the install of it... and the new one was ultimately unnecessary.

The new CF pieces are less than I thought: ~$1,200 installed.
Ahh I c. Glad it worked out.

Hopefully you get the $$$ for the cf diffuser soon.
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A short on the starter. They asked if the JB4 was drawing power while the engine was shut off. I explained the connections and they agreed not that. They ordered a new starter. Once it arrived, they found the wiring short while starting the install of it... and the new one was ultimately unnecessary.

The new CF pieces are less than I thought: ~$1,200 installed.
It's good hearing that it wasn't anything overly complicated. Of course that can happen to any car. I am positively surprised, that while not an issue (better so!), the dealer did not play "tricks" with regard to your JB4 but behaved professionally and rightfully so.
As elementary as it sounds, make sure you do chase the tow service for the damage they did as this is a clear case (in your favor)!
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Just out of curiosity for those with similar symptoms in the future, so was the short caused by two connecting wires at the starter? As indicated the starter did not need replacing. I do not know how these starters are connected, but I would think all connections are via some type of harness connector. So maybe a short in a connector?
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