[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by LSM

I had a January Build GTS which I cancelled when my dealer got me a May Production Turbo S at msrp.

I've been doing business with him for a long time, I'm sure that helps. Plus I flip in and out of cars, he will get it back when I'm done in 8-12 months

Congrats on the new cars. I also have a new RR on list for but my name has not come up
On that one

Thanks!

I've never bought a Porsche before as honestly never had interest. The main guy I dealt with that got me my M8GC allocation moved to a Porsche dealer after Autonation ruined the BMW dealership he was at. I secured a Taycan Turbo S for my wife and while there the GSM pretty much realized I was an enthusiast rather than a status type buyer. I sat in a 911 and surprisingly fit(I'm 6'5" all torso) and then realized it had somewhat of a rear seat which is good enough for my kids. After doing my research I was impressed with what the 911 Turbo S could do. No dealer around had a list less than a year wait for one and he knew I found an allocation in Cali for a Turbo S Cab and secured it back in first week of December. He then called me up 3 days ago and let me know he wanted to see if I wanted a Turbo S Coupe for April delivery and that he had a customer that wanted to do a delayed European delivery and could maybe get me that allocation instead and be able to get the Coupe vs Cab which holds better value and not have to deal with shipping a car from Cali to Texas.

I was all in on that idea and frankly the $25k ADM was justified knowing what he could've gotten instead with someone else and the fact that he had 17 folks on the list waiting and let me get the spot had major kudos value aswell since I'm not a patient person.
Being in sales for myself I can truly appreciate when a value in a person is appreciated and able to secure a deal through the means of knowing who the right customer is and future growth potential.

[LSM]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

Thanks!

I've never bought a Porsche before as honestly never had interest. The main guy I dealt with that got me my M8GC allocation moved to a Porsche dealer after Autonation ruined the BMW dealership he was at. I secured a Taycan Turbo S for my wife and while there the GSM pretty much realized I was an enthusiast rather than a status type buyer. I sat in a 911 and surprisingly fit(I'm 6'5" all torso) and then realized it had somewhat of a rear seat which is good enough for my kids. After doing my research I was impressed with what the 911 Turbo S could do. No dealer around had a list less than a year wait for one and he knew I found an allocation in Cali for a Turbo S Cab and secured it back in first week of December. He then called me up 3 days ago and let me know he wanted to see if I wanted a Turbo S Coupe for April delivery and that he had a customer that wanted to do a delayed European delivery and could maybe get me that allocation instead and be able to get the Coupe vs Cab which holds better value and not have to deal with shipping a car from Cali to Texas.

I was all in on that idea and frankly the $25k ADM was justified knowing what he could've gotten instead with someone else and the fact that he had 17 folks on the list waiting and let me get the spot had major kudos value aswell since I'm not a patient person.
Being in sales for myself I can truly appreciate when a value in a person is appreciated and able to secure a deal through the means of knowing who the right customer is and future growth potential.

I don't think an ADM of 25k is a lot. I actually think it's a ton less then most dealers are doing. Used they're selling for crazy money..

Shit every Porsche 911 right now is next to impossible to get. A Base 911 gets adm in most areas.

There just aren't nearly enough around to satisfy demand.

I could have gotten a Turbo S with a Jan build but thought I was sold on the GTS. After building it and seeing it I was unsatisfied and asked him to find me a Turbo S and got a May production.

EDIT - I had a Jan Build Slot for a 911 GTS or a Turbo S for Jan. I decided to take the 911 GTS build slot but after building it in numerous ways I decided I wanted a Turbo S. He got new allocations Dec 23 so I took the May Turbo S Allocation and gave him back the 911 GTS allocation as he has 10 deep waiting for one

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by LSM

I don't think an ADM of 25k is a lot. I actually think it's a ton less then most dealers are doing. Used they're selling for crazy money..

Shit every Porsche 911 right now is next to impossible to get. A Base 911 gets adm in most areas.

There just aren't nearly enough around to satisfy demand.

I could have gotten a Turbo S with a Jan build but thought I was sold on the GTS. After building it and seeing it I was unsatisfied and asked him to find me a Turbo S and got a May production.

I like your approach!

For some reason I am never satisfied and most exotic brands just don't appeal to me. A Koenigsegg Gemera is the only thing I find appealing, but that's next level shit and I'd have to sell 6 of my toys to just touch one and it's a hard trade. Truly an amazing car though.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

Most of the associated industries are stating 2-3yrs.

I posted in another thread the reality of the chip shortage and semi-conductor FAB lead times and RONA. Even if manufactures start building FABs now its 2 years out at a minimum before output.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by Tenac

Funny story I have to add to this. Over the past week my good friend went to buy a nicely equipped F250 and was shocked they where giving him 5k off MSRP, ONLY to find out interest rate was 4.25, so he brought his own finance at 2 something and they put the 5k back on the truck. LOL long story short he owns it at his rate.

Solid move by your buddy. Not even sure what the going rate is for a F250 but just using $50K and comparing that with $45K at 4.25% vs the full 50K at 2% and over a 36 month loan a $1500 savings. Total win!

[Tenac]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

Solid move by your buddy. Not even sure what the going rate is for a F250 but just using $50K and comparing that with $45K at 4.25% vs the full 50K at 2% and over a 36 month loan a $1500 savings. Total win!

Yeah exactly, you have to do a bit of research to understand the better deal. Same with say private sale V trade in, sometimes the savings in Taxes is enough to make it worth it. I think he said his loaded F250 was around 80k but he hauls horses and needs a nice truck.

[Resjudicata]

Originally Posted by Tenac

Yeah exactly, you have to do a bit of research to understand the better deal. Same with say private sale V trade in, sometimes the savings in Taxes is enough to make it worth it. I think he said his loaded F250 was around 80k but he hauls horses and needs a nice truck.

We save 5% tax in Virginia for trade in cars vs sales.

[TCBavarian]

My CA has an m8 convertible allocation if anyone is looking. Straightforward. I can put you in touch

[m3_08]

Thanks all for replies!
Here is the summary of the market:

1. Allocations are available but being not very popular car you have to work to find one.
2. You have to order hoping some options will be available at your build time such as neck warmers, B&W stereo, wireless charger...
3. And after that you need to find knowledgeable and responsive SA capable to work on custom order.

Here is picture from visualizer what I ordered:

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by m3_08

Thanks all for replies!
Here is the summary of the market:

1. Allocations are available but being not very popular car you have to work to find one.
2. You have to order hoping some options will be available at your build time such as neck warmers, B&W stereo, wireless charger...
3. And after that you need to find knowledgeable and responsive SA capable to work on custom order.

Here is picture from visualizer what I ordered:

I would disagree with the not very popular statement.

I'll go as far as saying the X6M and M8 are 2 of the hardest allocations to get due to demand.

[m3_08]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

I would disagree with the not very popular statement.

I'll go as far as saying the X6M and M8 are 2 of the hardest allocations to get due to demand.

Even better!
Another thing I was surprised to hear many dealers do business now only in their 2-3 adjacent states and politely refuse to discuss ordering car far away from the dealership.

[TCBavarian]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

I would disagree with the not very popular statement.

I'll go as far as saying the X6M and M8 are 2 of the hardest allocations to get due to demand.

Interesting. Now it makes sense that he was pretty excited that they had an m8 allocation. I remember when these would just sit and sit on the lots. I didn't think much when he told me they had one available.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by TCBavarian

Interesting. Now it makes sense that he was pretty excited that they had an m8 allocation. I remember when these would just sit and sit on the lots. I didn't think much when he told me they had one available.

People are now realizing what they're capable of. Truly phenomenal machines.

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

I would disagree with the not very popular statement.

I'll go as far as saying the X6M and M8 are 2 of the hardest allocations to get due to demand.

Eh....the 8 series and X6 were low volume sellers and not at all in high demand....people didn't love them when they came out and they sat on the lot. I think most dealers gladly traded allocations for those vehicles for stuff that actually sold. I personally like the 8 series....but it's not a secret they were overpriced originally. Even now....I considered a M8 GC but there is no reason to really go for one....the M5 is a better car, cheaper, and has better tech. I had a M6 GC....why would I pay an extra $20k for the same car basically over what the M6 was?

X6, same thing....almost no reason to get that car over an X5 since the rear space is so little compared to the X5.

Right now, everything is selling because nothing is available...it's not because there has been this sudden revelation that it's a great car.

[Bimmersandmopars]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Eh....the 8 series and X6 were low volume sellers and not at all in high demand....people didn't love them when they came out and they sat on the lot. I think most dealers gladly traded allocations for those vehicles for stuff that actually sold. I personally like the 8 series....but it's not a secret they were overpriced originally. Even now....I considered a M8 GC but there is no reason to really go for one....the M5 is a better car, cheaper, and has better tech. I had a M6 GC....why would I pay an extra $20k for the same car basically over what the M6 was?

X6, same thing....almost no reason to get that car over an X5 since the rear space is so little compared to the X5.

Right now, everything is selling because nothing is available...it's not because there has been this sudden revelation that it's a great car.

I'll just say this. There are 50 new M5s available currently in the US per cargurus,...... 1 M8.

[Tenac]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

I'll just say this. There are 50 new M5s available currently in the US per cargurus,...... 1 M8.

That doesn't always mean they are selling faster or more. It points more towards production amount, I think we all can agree BMW produces more 5 series than 8 by far. I would expect to see more for the M5.

BMW sold 18,538 5-Series in 2021

BMW sold 5,601 8-Series in 2021

(US ONLY)

[m3_08]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

I'll just say this. There are 50 new M5s available currently in the US per cargurus,...... 1 M8.

cars.com shows 40 2022 M8 convertibles (i was watching convertibles only). Some of them are presold but many available - I spoke to some listing dealers but didn't like the colors or options and ended up ordering one.

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by Bimmersandmopars

I'll just say this. There are 50 new M5s available currently in the US per cargurus,...... 1 M8.

Yeah that doesn't mean anything. For one, I've called about 20 of those M5s probably and they are all sold customer orders. For some reason BMW's system puts sold customer orders on cars.com, autotrader, etc. even though they are customer ordered cars that are sold.

There are no M8s available because people aren't ordering them right now.

[Tenac]

Originally Posted by m3_08

cars.com shows 40 2022 M8 convertibles (i was watching convertibles only). Some of them are presold but many available - I spoke to some listing dealers but didn't like the colors or options and ended up ordering one.

Yes even my order from back in Sept still shows up on the internet page for the dealer. One cannot really trust the internet for whats actually on lot or on the way anymore. lol

[Ghostrider641]

Originally Posted by m3_08

Thanks all for replies!
Here is the summary of the market:

1. Allocations are available but being not very popular car you have to work to find one.
2. You have to order hoping some options will be available at your build time such as neck warmers, B&W stereo, wireless charger...
3. And after that you need to find knowledgeable and responsive SA capable to work on custom order.

Here is picture from visualizer what I ordered:

Is this British Racing Green? I have an order in was told 6-8 months and it will be a 2023. I love green but I’m still torn….

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Eh....the 8 series and X6 were low volume sellers and not at all in high demand....people didn't love them when they came out and they sat on the lot. I think most dealers gladly traded allocations for those vehicles for stuff that actually sold. I personally like the 8 series....but it's not a secret they were overpriced originally. Even now....I considered a M8 GC but there is no reason to really go for one....the M5 is a better car, cheaper, and has better tech. I had a M6 GC....why would I pay an extra $20k for the same car basically over what the M6 was?

X6, same thing....almost no reason to get that car over an X5 since the rear space is so little compared to the X5.

Right now, everything is selling because nothing is available...it's not because there has been this sudden revelation that it's a great car.

Originally Posted by mjr24

Eh....the 8 series and X6 were low volume sellers and not at all in high demand....people didn't love them when they came out and they sat on the lot. I think most dealers gladly traded allocations for those vehicles for stuff that actually sold. I personally like the 8 series....but it's not a secret they were overpriced originally. Even now....I considered a M8 GC but there is no reason to really go for one....the M5 is a better car, cheaper, and has better tech. I had a M6 GC....why would I pay an extra $20k for the same car basically over what the M6 was?

X6, same thing....almost no reason to get that car over an X5 since the rear space is so little compared to the X5.

Right now, everything is selling because nothing is available...it's not because there has been this sudden revelation that it's a great car.

I completely understand your argument although I'd take an 8-series over the 5-series no questions asked. That said what puzzles me is the "the M5 is a better car, cheaper, and has better tech" statement. What better tech are you referring to?

[mjr24]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

I completely understand your argument although I'd take an 8-series over the 5-series no questions asked. That said what puzzles me is the "the M5 is a better car, cheaper, and has better tech" statement. What better tech are you referring to?

I mean it has a larger screen.....which makes (for me, at least) the touchscreen usable. I had the smaller 10.2 in my 2019 M5 and rarely used touch-screen but use it all the time in our X7 and X5M because it makes a difference. I don't know why they didn't put the 12.3 monitor in the 8 series considering they did it in the X5 and X7 and those also were 2019 releases (and the layout of the 8 series didn't factor in because the LCI will have that same 12.3 monitor).