[TXSTYLE]

The upcoming new RR Sport to replace my wife's X5 xDrive 50i.
It is absolutely stunning inside and out and super modern with that traditional RR flair and flavor. I've seen a new 2023 HSE full size around my area in White with Black roof. Very nice but it's too large and I'm not too keen on the newly redesigned tail lights which are vertical strips.

They hit it outta the park with this new Sport!

Thoughts?

[chassis]

Own long term or lease and dump it?

[Blue87]

I'd have to see one in person and drive before giving an opinion on that model. We had a 2020 Velar and yes, a few step below, regardless I wasn't too impressed. Interior was okay, lacked features for that price point ($65k), especially compared to my Q7 (roomier, better overall quality), but was reliable for couple of years we had it. This would definitely be one of the models I'd consider. How does it compare to the X7 M60i?

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by chassis

Own long term or lease and dump it?

Lease. She only averages @ 8k miles annually. And the way I would option it would hit over $100k.

[Donatello.]

In the shop more than on the road. Hard pass

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by Blue87

I'd have to see one in person and drive before giving an opinion on that model. We had a 2020 Velar and yes, a few step below, regardless I wasn't too impressed. Interior was okay, lacked features for that price point ($65k), especially compared to my Q7 (roomier, better overall quality), but was reliable for couple of years we had it. This would definitely be one of the models I'd consider. How does it compare to the X7 M60i?

Neighbor's family member has a Velar that I've driven. It's way too small for us.
This new Sport is completely redesigned ground up, inside and out. It's actually larger than the current Sport and X5.
X7 is too large and the new iX and M60i are absolutely Fugly to us both.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

In the shop more than on the road. Hard pass

I hear folks saying that. But I have several friends who have or had them. No issues that I've heard of from them. And buying new, I wouldn't be very concerned. Dealer is minutes from my house.

[dgoldenz]

If only they’d put the 5.0 supercharged SVR engine in it…

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

If only they’d put the 5.0 supercharged SVR engine in it…

Ahhhh... But they do. They dropped the SVR nomenclature. And simply call it the "First Edition".

With the P530 first edition, you get a 4.4-liter twin-turbo V-8 with 530 horsepower. With the launch control system, it goes from 0 to 60 mph in 4.3 seconds, which is similar in speed to the previous Range Rover Sport SVR. Even with 24 mpg, it is far more frugal than the outgoing model's V-8. An all-electric Range Rover Sport is also in the works and should debut in 2024.

[dgoldenz]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Ahhhh... But they do. They dropped the SVR nomenclature. And simply call it the "First Edition".

With the P530 first edition, you get a 4.4-liter twin-turbo V-8 with 530 horsepower. With the launch control system, it goes from 0 to 60 mph in 4.3 seconds, which is similar in speed to the previous Range Rover Sport SVR. Even with 24 mpg, it is far more frugal than the outgoing model's V-8. An all-electric Range Rover Sport is also in the works and should debut in 2024.

That’s not a supercharged 5.0

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

I hear folks saying that. But I have several friends who have or had them. No issues that I've heard of from them. And buying new, I wouldn't be very concerned. Dealer is minutes from my house.

I couldn't get rid of my wife's 2019 RR Sport fast enough. Nothing but problems. Recurring problems with the air suspension causing nosedives, transmission causing strong vibrations (replaced), and loose trim rattles after only 20k miles. Very poor quality. Will never buy a RR product again.

[chassis]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

I hear folks saying that. But I have several friends who have or had them. No issues that I've heard of from them. And buying new, I wouldn't be very concerned. Dealer is minutes from my house.

If lease and dump and you don’t mind the inconvenience of dealer trips for warranty repairs, go for it.

I would go with a Cayenne at that price point.

[Blue87]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Neighbor's family member has a Velar that I've driven. It's way too small for us.
This new Sport is completely redesigned ground up, inside and out. It's actually larger than the current Sport and X5.
X7 is too large and the new iX and M60i are absolutely Fugly to us both.

Funny you mention the iX since I had one today for a loaner. The exterior was okay, fun to drive, didn't mind iDrive8 (would a few times to figure out settings), seats were like couches (not sporty but comfy), Harmon Kardon sounded pretty good. I'd probably pass on that , but might consider the i4 at some point. Chargers aren't that common on the Illinois side of St. Louis and would have to mostly rely on slow home charging. Kind of expensive too.

[RM7]

Another sedan dies.

[yousefnjr]

Been thinking a lot about one of these too. What I really want is the BEV model though, and I heard that’s not coming for another year or two

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

Been thinking a lot about one of these too. What I really want is the BEV model though, and I heard that’s not coming for another year or two

Do you mean the electric version?

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by chassis

If lease and dump and you don’t mind the inconvenience of dealer trips for warranty repairs, go for it.

I would go with a Cayenne at that price point.

If it were solely up to me, I'd probably lean towards the Porsche.
I already talked her out of the RR once before so I gotta compromise. But again, this new one is foking sexy hot.
Are you guys watching any of the vids I posted?

[Germanauto]

I love it. X5 is a nice car but has almost completely lost its edge in driving dynamics and is more of a luxo barge now. X5 looks nice but is sorta common and doesn't have the sex appeal that the RR Sport does. The RR is something James Bond would drive. They really jacked up the price though.

Personally I really value a sporting driving feel so the Cayenne would be the only mid-size CUV I'd consider. But even then it is a bit common and ordinary looking. For all out sex appeal, the RR Sport is top dog.

[chassis]

Re: “common”, have a look at annual sales volume. X5 is arguably common, the Cayenne and RR are not.

[wtwo3]

The commonality of the X5 comes from its value prop in comparison to the Cayenne and RR which are obviously higher priced. And IMO the X5 is significantly superior to its direct competitor (GLE). So makes sense why it sells so well in its class.

I struggle with this a lot. The X5 (now X7 for me) is so good, I have a really hard justifying jumping up to a Cayenne/RR which, IMO you have to spend at least $20k-$30k more for it to be superior to either fully loaded X5/X7. I remember cross shopping the X5 back in 2019 - my fully loaded X5 was coming in at ~$82k, and an equally optioned (and still missing a couple options) Cayenne was ~$106k.

[rotomoto712]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Ahhhh... But they do. They dropped the SVR nomenclature. And simply call it the "First Edition".

With the P530 first edition, you get a 4.4-liter twin-turbo V-8 with 530 horsepower. With the launch control system, it goes from 0 to 60 mph in 4.3 seconds, which is similar in speed to the previous Range Rover Sport SVR. Even with 24 mpg, it is far more frugal than the outgoing model's V-8. An all-electric Range Rover Sport is also in the works and should debut in 2024.

Ironically, That 4.4 Liter Twin-Turbo Engine is from BMW (N63TU IIRC).

[Alfisti]

Reliability is not an issue with these any more, but the price point, i dunno man...... for 8K yr...... i'd be buying a 3 yr old vehicle off corporate lease and save 50K.