02-21-2008, 03:24 PM | #23 |
Colonel
60
Rep 2,128
Posts |
Porsche's racing history - real racing they did themselves - took advantage of mid-engine platforms, didn't it?
To me, Ernst Fuhrmann had it right. Back in the 70s he wanted to drop the 911 platform and build 928s and 924/944s - going to a two car line-up, water-cooled, based on the same platform that shared lots of parts so they'd be cheaper to make, one an entry-level model and one the top of the line, taking advantage of VWAG as a manufacturing resource. Everyone squawked, Ferdinand Pietz took dropping the 911 as an insult to the Porsche family and screwed the guy over at every turn, eventually ousting him as CEO and hiring someone willing to continue tweaking the flawed 911. Twenty years later, Wendelin Weideking saves the foundering company. What did he do? He went to a 2-car line-up, water-cooled, based off the same platform and sharing lots of parts, one an entry-level model and one the top model, and starts a partnership with VW to take advantage of their manufacturing resources. The difference? No matter what, he'll keep calling the most expensive model "911." All hail the genius. Porsche has stated they've taken the flat-6 as far as it will go. How do you feel about a rear-engined 8-cylinder water-cooled 911? When does the car stop being a 911, and start being a badge-whoring marketing exercise? |
Appreciate
0
|
02-21-2008, 04:18 PM | #24 | |
Colonel
278
Rep 2,008
Posts |
Quote:
I agree with all your points. You seem to know your stuff. But, I did just get home from driving my dads 997 C4S with sport exhaust and I still get chills thinking about it. It has me thinking hard about a low mileage 996 turbo over the new m3.
__________________
(Waitlist): #1 M2CSL
(Current): 2016 F15 X5 3.5xdrive - 2010 997.2 C4S Coupe (Past): 2016 F30 340xi M-Sport -2013 535i xdrive 2008 E92 M3 - 2006 E90 325i 2002 E46 325xi - 1991 E30 325i |
|
Appreciate
0
|
02-21-2008, 08:00 PM | #25 | |
Colonel
60
Rep 2,128
Posts |
Quote:
To say that the rear engine layout is right is to ignore physics. Porsche has spent years (and millions) getting a square wheel to roll. I can admire how well the wheel is rolling and yet still be puzzled as to why they didn't go round in the first place. The 911 continues to exists more out of sentiment (on the part of management and customers) and marketing strategy than any desire to keep privateers winning races. And you'll never convince me that the people winning races in a 997 couldn't win with a 987, if Porsche used the same hardware in the Cayman that it currently reserves for the 911. As for platform sharing - the "financial necessity" was created by Porsche keeping the 911 alive. The 928 and 944/968 shared components almost on a level with the 986/996 (the I4 in the 944 was essentially half the 928's V8, and almost all of the ancillary parts are interchangeable; it was the 911 that was odd-man out of the parts bin. I previously owned - simultaneously - a 1983 928S, 1983 944, and 1983 911SC, and worked on them myself so i saw this first-hand. the big differences between Weideking and Fuhrmann is "just in time" inventory and adding the Cayenne, and neither JIT inventory management nor luxury SUVs were in vogue at the time. Had the 911 been dropped as Fuhrmann planned, and the 928 developed as a sports car (rather than the luxury GT it evolved into once the 911 was resuscitated), it can be argued that Porsche would have had similar success as now, only 20 years back. And while water-cooling was forced onto Porsche in the 90s, there are lots of solid engineering benefits to it that Porsche could have reaped back then (for instance, heat that worked). And don't get me started on how much nicer the transmissions in the 928 and 944 were compared to the 915 gearbox used in the 911 from 1972-1987. The variable intake and 5-link rear suspension were developed for the 928 and 968 before they appeared in the 911. And then, as now, it was felt that the "entry-level" model was held back by Porsche to keep people buying 911s - they reined in the 944 and 944 turbo the same way they rein in the Cayman now. And here we are, back at the beginning of the thread. PS: part of why I like BMWs is my love for my old 944. That car taught me to enjoy revvy inline engines. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
02-21-2008, 08:15 PM | #26 |
Lieutenant Colonel
63
Rep 1,914
Posts |
congrad, beautiful car and a great deal.
one thing that proves my point, though, is that Porche really don't hold their value at all. not only cuz u got a great price but just in general. looking at how expensive Porhces are when new.. and used ones on the market (usually very low miles), the #'$ just don't make sense. i dont expect it to hold value like a honda or tyota, but sometimes i wonder why such high end cars don't hold value at all.. not just porche but Merc, Audi, Jag, are all the same.. BMW holds best vlue among them all. |
Appreciate
0
|
02-22-2008, 12:53 AM | #29 |
chris
278
Rep 12,144
Posts |
nice new toy... i would kill to have a 335 coupe but now you have a cayman s!! some people are just soo lucky...
__________________
Current: 2013 F10 M5 & 2016 Mini JCW 2013 GLK350 (gone), 997.1 GT3RS (gone), 2009 WRX STI (gone), e92 M3 (gone) |
Appreciate
0
|
02-22-2008, 07:28 AM | #30 |
Expert Road Racer
59
Rep 1,329
Posts |
Thanks...yes I have been lucky in many ways but I also work my tail off as well and have done so since college 2 decades ago. In fact, this car is my reward for expanding my business this year.
Last edited by sdiver68; 02-22-2008 at 08:08 AM.. |
Appreciate
0
|
02-22-2008, 07:30 AM | #31 | |
Expert Road Racer
59
Rep 1,329
Posts |
Quote:
Last edited by sdiver68; 02-22-2008 at 08:06 AM.. |
|
Appreciate
0
|
Post Reply |
Bookmarks |
|
|