[soooma]

Originally Posted by jstein55

True, I miss those times, the e60 is one of my favorite M5's even with all its quirks and issues. That car was just overflowing with character, there will never be another like it.

SMG sucked though
It's like a non stop hiccuping car!!

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by soooma

SMG sucked though
It's like a non stop hiccuping car!!

Agree, I had the pleasure of driving a manual on the track and street, that was the version I've had the most time in, think I've only driven one SMG E60 and would agree, but of course I would only buy a manual M anyways and preach #SaveTheManuals!

[soooma]

Originally Posted by 328iX

Curious why the 100mph time is more than double the 60 time. Isn't the longest part just getting off the line and building boost?

Hahahaha even worse from 150mph to 170mph takes w hopping 7 second from 15 to 22!! Flies in the face of your argument
While inertia is a big issue but wind and defying physics at the limits of speed is another animal!

[328iX]

Originally Posted by soooma

Hahahaha even worse from 150mph to 170mph takes w hopping 7 second from 15 to 22!! Flies in the face of your argument
While inertia is a big issue but wind and defying physics at the limits of speed is another animal!

I thought it was a pretty slick car but yeah that's very interesting

[dezzracer]

Damn !!! That's just one more reason they should have kept producing the M8. Not to mention it was on my next dream car list. I saw one in person at my local dealership a few months ago and it was stunning.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

Damn !!! That's just one more reason they should have kept producing the M8. Not to mention it was on my next dream car list. I saw one in person at my local dealership a few months ago and it was stunning.

The GC is no pig and that's apparently sticking around... so far at least. Here are 3 of my favorite pics of my own car:

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

Originally Posted by debdoub

To a quarter!! You will wait too long my friend!!

There is a site out there will give an estimate in regard to Bayerische Motoren Werke auto depreciation. Look it up for a better decision.

Fine fine 30-40

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by debdoub

Well, l'm not sure about the notorious SMG E60, for a manual l will go all the way to E39, such fun to drive. Yes sir that is my baby

E39 is also a pleasure, I just love the V10, however I would own an E39 over an E60 any day purely due to maintenance costs.

[Trainwreck914]

E39 All the way! It's what brought me to Bmw. Haven't looked back since.

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by limeypride

I had 2 x M6 Comp GCs and I loved them both. I enjoyed driving them as I enjoyed my F10 M5s, F90 M5s and my M8... and I track them, too.

There is a market here--I'm a member--perhaps it's not too broad an appeal I guess but I find hitting 60 from a traffic light in under 3 seconds to be amusing. I enjoy tailgating and passing exotics on roadcourse straightaways... I enjoy beating a Lambo at the dragstrip... and I even enjoy the smug grin on Porsche driver's faces as they pull away from me in the corners on a road course. But everything I just described is fun... even losing.

Everything you described makes you the perfect market for this car and I'm glad you enjoy it! I do love the M5//M6/M8 (looks, sound, speed) but find less use for it in my life the more I think about it. The red light acceleration routine gets a little boring for me and I don't think I could continue enjoying it at the level you do, ha, but I'm glad you get amusement from it and I'm sure the cars around you also enjoy the show.

Have fun!

[Elderado82]

Originally Posted by nicky dj

"Not saying your wrong, but that HP is maybe 25% of the equation at max. Just look at the Corvette for instance 495 HP and out paces 700+ hp cars of yesterday"

Comon bro, 25%? Obviously you have no idea that torque peters up out top. A 495hp 2020 with the Z51 package runs a 1/4 mile in an 11.3 thats no where close to the M8 at 10.7 stock... which is about 5 car lengths.

I'm honestly confused by your sentiment???? For one thing I specifically denounced the BMW M8 by my statement "700 hp cars of yesterday" and I'm aware of the fact that torque is low and flat on the Corvette. What is your argument? The fact that a two wheel drive car with far less horsepower isn't able to keep with a 4 wheel drive power house? Or, just to fucking argue? Lame, next time read the whole message and take the time to comprehend. And, have a Snickers for crying out loud.

[nicky dj]

Originally Posted by Elderado82

I'm honestly confused by your sentiment???? For one thing I specifically denounced the BMW M8 by my statement "700 hp cars of yesterday" and I'm aware of the fact that torque is low and flat on the Corvette. What is your argument? The fact that a two wheel drive car with far less horsepower isn't able to keep with a 4 wheel drive power house? Or, just to fucking argue? Lame, next time read the whole message and take the time to comprehend. And, have a Snickers for crying out loud.

The FACT that you think that 25% of horsepower equals to how fast a car is regardless of updated 8 speed/DCT transmissions, drive train and differentials, and more of the FACT that you think a Corvette is on Supercar level.

My main point is that the Corvette with a trap speed of 121 is not on a M8's level which in turn is is not on a supercars level. A big difference of being in the 10's versus 11's and we are talking gaps.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by J-RO

Using that logic I must have a 12 incher.

Whatever helps you sleep at night...

[J-RO]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Whatever helps you sleep at night...

Sleeping at night would be difficult under those circumstances.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by J-RO

Sleeping at night would be difficult under those circumstances.

... it's not.

[Ozzie8]

Originally Posted by debdoub

To a quarter!! You will wait too long my friend!!

There is a site out there will give an estimate in regard to Bayerische Motoren Werke auto depreciation. Look it up for a better decision.

debdoub my 8 series coupe has just turned one. For his birthday he got invited to BMW for a service check. I had managed to get 5,011 km on the clock in the first year. I paid $300K for my 8. Yes you read correct - welcome to buying cars in Australia. As a result new cars here depreciate faster than in most parts of the world.

In reading this and other forum posts, I have come to the conclusion, that quite possibly I might be leading the world on a per km basis of the biggest depreciation hit. I'm taking more wind up the tailpipe than - probably anyone out there.

But you know what. I don't care. And I don't care that I don't care. I love this car. Maybe even as much as you love your M5 (and I concede this depreciates way less than my 8).

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by Ozzie8

debdoub my 8 series coupe has just turned one. For his birthday he got invited to BMW for a service check. I had managed to get 5,011 km on the clock in the first year. I paid $300K for my 8. Yes you read correct - welcome to buying cars in Australia. As a result new cars here depreciate faster than in most parts of the world.

In reading this and other forum posts, I have come to the conclusion, that quite possibly I might be leading the world on a per km basis of the biggest depreciation hit. I'm taking more wind up the tailpipe than - probably anyone out there.

But you know what. I don't care. And I don't care that I don't care. I love this car. Maybe even as much as you love your M5 (and I concede this depreciates way less than my 8).

Absolutely concur with the sentiment. I thought I got fleeced for my custom 2020 M850i order until you shared the details on the M850i cost in Australia. Did I get fleeced vs buying a 2019 off the lot at a very significant discount if I was willing to compromise on the build? That is a resounding "yes". However, do I care? That is a resounding "no". Why? I absolutely love the car regardless of the absolutely asinine process to get it through literally two failed builds by BMW (at least the 2nd one my dealer was able to fix the SNAFUs so I could take delivery). Is the car depreciating like a brick? We all know that answer but just like Ozzie8 I could care less.

[RJC-1]

Originally Posted by Ozzie8

debdoub my 8 series coupe has just turned one. For his birthday he got invited to BMW for a service check. I had managed to get 5,011 km on the clock in the first year. I paid $300K for my 8. Yes you read correct - welcome to buying cars in Australia. As a result new cars here depreciate faster than in most parts of the world.

In reading this and other forum posts, I have come to the conclusion, that quite possibly I might be leading the world on a per km basis of the biggest depreciation hit. I'm taking more wind up the tailpipe than - probably anyone out there.

But you know what. I don't care. And I don't care that I don't care. I love this car. Maybe even as much as you love your M5 (and I concede this depreciates way less than my 8).

Sure hope the wages there are far better than here on a comparative basis.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by limeypride

... it's not.

Ma man

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Ma man

I'm glad someone has the same childish sense of humor as me.

[Resjudicata]

Originally Posted by Ozzie8

debdoub my 8 series coupe has just turned one. For his birthday he got invited to BMW for a service check. I had managed to get 5,011 km on the clock in the first year. I paid $300K for my 8. Yes you read correct - welcome to buying cars in Australia. As a result new cars here depreciate faster than in most parts of the world.

In reading this and other forum posts, I have come to the conclusion, that quite possibly I might be leading the world on a per km basis of the biggest depreciation hit. I'm taking more wind up the tailpipe than - probably anyone out there.

But you know what. I don't care. And I don't care that I don't care. I love this car. Maybe even as much as you love your M5 (and I concede this depreciates way less than my 8).

I've got pretty close to your depreciation. my 2019 m850i conv is almost 1.5 years old with only 2000 miles on it. I paid a lot and depreciation has hit hard but I recently got a trade in quote that was almost DOUBLE what I was offered for my car back in "peak Covid" a couple months ago.

Like bloozemanAZ I probably paid too much, but I don't care. I had planned to own the car 10+ years, but with my family situation, it's a guessing game as to how long it lasts anywhere from 2-20 years. probably at least 5 given the lack of driving due to Covid.

In terms of depreciation, I look at in terms of percentage. everyone expects that a "normal" curve should be around 10% per year plus 10% additional in year 1, beyond any markup or premium paid (options, etc). Thus, as most BMW leases calculate around a 55+% residual return on year 3; that's a fair base line.
if your car drops 50% in year 1, that is excessive; or if it's still worth 50% in year 5, that's beyond good.

if you look at absolute numbers, it's all relatively the same but 100k to someone might seem like 200k or 50k to someone else.
Economists call it the consumer price index and cost of living adjustments. So my point is that if your car costs $300k, you either need a salary that goes along with it; or you need to know you're going to lose $150k by year 4

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by Resjudicata

I've got pretty close to your depreciation. my 2019 m850i conv is almost 1.5 years old with only 2000 miles on it. I paid a lot and depreciation has hit hard but I recently got a trade in quote that was almost DOUBLE what I was offered for my car back in "peak Covid" a couple months ago.

Great news on that front. I think the law of supply and demand is factoring as using my favorite "whats on the ground" inventory tool, i.e., cars.com there are only 8 new 2020 M850i convertibles. Checking for CPO that would be one 2019 and for used that would be one 2020 and nine 2019s. Obviously, the M850i convertible is a great car so there are not a lot of people dumping them and if BMW limits the allocations on the MY 2021 850i Coupes and Convertibles like the 2020s supply should stay limited vs the 2019s initial inventory saturation or the 2020 M8s inventory saturation.