[hinckley]

Originally Posted by WCH

This was actually the factor that drove my decision to move from my 991 TT to the M8 convertible. Both cars are fun - just different.

A good buddy of mine drove M6 verts and now an M8 vert for the same reason. Nothing wrong with that!

[Alpine300zhp]

FWIW, I was waiting for the M8 comp to come out and rushed to my dealer to test drive the first one they got. What a disappointment. While the performance was good, the interior was underwhelming for a 160k car and the interior space was very cramped. My F82 has more interior space than the M8! I thought long and hard about the M8 and just could not justify the price tag. I guess I am not the only one as my dealer still has the car that I test drove like 9 months ago. After seeing the G82 debacle, I have started considering cars from AMG and RS. We shall see, but I am seriously considering a AMG car next time.....

['Cane]

Originally Posted by Alpine300zhp

FWIW, I was waiting for the M8 comp to come out and rushed to my dealer to test drive the first one they got. What a disappointment. While the performance was good, the interior was underwhelming for a 160k car and the interior space was very cramped. My F82 has more interior space than the M8! I thought long and hard about the M8 and just could not justify the price tag. I guess I am not the only one as my dealer still has the car that I test drove like 9 months ago. After seeing the G82 debacle, I have started considering cars from AMG and RS. We shall see, but I am seriously considering a AMG car next time.....

But, what if that M8 Comp were $125k?

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

But, what if that M8 Comp were $125k?

Good question. I think if the M8 was 125k or even 135k for a fully loaded competition model, I probably would have purchased the car I test drove. FWIW, you should keep your Imola F80. I don't think you ll find a better car without spending double.

[BMWfan2006]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

But, what if that M8 Comp were $125k?

It's a 1250-1400 a month car.

[guarnibl]

Originally Posted by BMWfan2006

It's a 1250-1400 a month car.

Yep.

To me the M8 seemed better priced at same point as M5.

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by BMWfan2006

It's a 1250-1400 a month car.

Is it that low with incentives for 36/10? If so, that number should help move the remaining units. When I was looking, a 160k M8 was 2k a month on a 36/10 with a 10% discount (no incentives and all dealer profit as the discount) and just 1st payment, tags, dealer fee and acquisition fee due at signing. Obviously, I did not see this as a 2k a month car on a lease. Even as a 1200 a month car, my interest in the car has faded so I still would not do it.

['Cane]

Originally Posted by Alpine300zhp

Good question. I think if the M8 was 125k or even 135k for a fully loaded competition model, I probably would have purchased the car I test drove. FWIW, you should keep your Imola F80. I don't think you ll find a better car without spending double.

I know. I just get bored fast. I still love it, but maybe it's time for something new. Plus, I'm not sure I'm sold on the G8X or if I want to wait a year for it.

[Wolfman64]

Originally Posted by The Automotive Enthusiast

I think you missed the point I was making. People are more willing to pay the extra money for a Porsche even if it's an SUV over the BMW Or Mercedes counterpart which goes back to what I originally said - every manufacturer has a price point.

The 911 is a standout not because it has a following. If Porsche depended solely on it's 'following', the 911 would cease to exist in today's market. You buy a 911 because of the "experience". Nobody is buying a 911 as a family car and the majority of people don't have the money to just plop down on a car that's $100,000+ as a secondary car. The fact that Porsche is STILL pumping out cars like the GT3 should tell you something.

The biggest reason that 8 series are sitting on dealer lots is because BMW priced itself out of it's market and doesn't really offer anything special. Why would I get an M850? Because it has two doors? I'll just get an M550 and save myself thousands. M8 Competition? The M5 Comp is the exact same car with four doors. When you play in that price range, people want something special, something that stands out.

I can walk into ANY BMW dealer and get anywhere from 7% to 10% off ANY standard model. Same with any Audi or MB. Walk into a Porsche dealership and ask for that on a Panamera. They'll laugh at you on the way out.

Not sure why we're discussing Aston here because that's not even comparable to any of the brands discussed other than Porsche. COVID has caused a bit of trouble for Aston though. They were saved by an investment from a Dubai firm.

We are discussing Astons because you responded to my prior response to another post.

Not sure how much experience you have with Porsche. If I go to our Porsche dealer and offer 7-10% off on a Panamera, they are high-fiving each other as they would have offered more, including deeply discounted MF.

In regards to the 911, a number of our friends with 911's are neither car enthusiasts nor will they drive it outside of city traffic. They simply have had 911's forever and automatically get the latest model. Other friends are fierce Porsche lovers and get the GT models for driving and resale value. I call both a following as this is something they will just repeat in the future. They were sold on the brand a long time ago...

As for weight, we can argue about that on forums but few actual customer would care. Btw, the M8 will seems only available in Competition form in Germany. Seems the same with existing dealer inventory; few are interested in the lesser M-model.

[Wolfman64]

Originally Posted by BMWfan2006

Am I the only one that thinks BMW interiors are just not up to par with Audi, Porsche and Benz... I like the analog dials so much better...Esp at 135K+?

I am pretty happy with the quality of the M8 interior. In terms of quality a step up from our $135k E63s.
That car still sported a good amount of plastic even though it was decked out.

The question wether it's pretty or different enough is a personal taste question.
I like Mercedes interiors but the M8 interior is solid as well.

Not sure why everyone is looking for something dramatically different for the 8 or demands "exotic interiors" just because the car is more expensive.

A $230K AMG S65 had more or less the same interior as a $135k S560 when spec'd with exclusive Nappa. Nobody complainted about that.

[Alpine300zhp]

Originally Posted by 'Cane

I know. I just get bored fast. I still love it, but maybe it's time for something new. Plus, I'm not sure I'm sold on the G8X or if I want to wait a year for it.

I was holding out for the G82 and then the front end was revealed and killed my desire for it. Perhaps you will like it.....

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Wolfman64

I am pretty happy with the quality of the M8 interior. In terms of quality a step up from our $135k E63s.
That cars still sported a good amount of plastic even though it was decked out.

The question wether it's pretty or different enough is a personal taste question.
I like Mercedes interiors but the M8 interior is solid as well.

Not sure why everyone is looking for something dramatically different for the 8 or demands "exotic interiors" just because the car is more expensive.

A $230K AMG S65 had more or less the same interior as a $135k S560 when spec'd with exclusive Nappa. Nobody complainted about that.

Great points.

['Cane]

Originally Posted by Alpine300zhp

I was holding out for the G82 and then the front end was revealed and killed my desire for it. Perhaps you will like it.....

The more I see it revealed, the less I don't hate it. It's growing on me, but I'm not sure I want to buy a car that I don't 100% like.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

I believe that is wrong to conclude that "no one wants coupe".
I would like one and know many guys that would.
The problem is that the lay-out of the vehicle and interior ergonomics are terrible. The lack of leg space in the rear seats are the problem!
Honda Accord has pretty much the same length and very few can touch the bottom of the leg area in the front when the seat is pushed max in the rear, and there is still space in the back. At a normal setting (and I am pretty tall) in the rear there is a normal space for an adult to sit comfortably on a long trip.

They engineer it wrong and that is the issue.
And, the Gran Coupe ended up too long for the same reason.

Totally agree, i.e., that nobody wants a coupe and jstein55 followed up with clarification that makes 100% sense in the SUV dominated market we live in. Given that we have a 2017 X5 in the household (my wife's daily driver) I truly wanted a coupe over a 4-door as that's what I've been driving over the past 15+ years.

Ultimately I ended up with a M850i after down selecting over the competition. However, I did not pursue a S Class coupe as after building the S 560 to spec for my desire and equivalent options on the M850i it was $30K+ more without anywhere near equivalent performance. Granted the interior is far superior to the M850i but overall performance was the #1 criteria on the list.

Ergonomics wise there is no doubt that the back seats are absolutely useless in the 8-series coupe. My initial test drive with the wife in the passenger seat and my SA literally sprawled across the back seat made that apparent from day 1. It may sound odd but that wasn't even a concern as whatever I purchased I'd be 80% plus solo in it with the remaining 20% with the wife in the passenger seat. Our son is long gone out of the house so in the rare occasion we need 3 or more in a car that is where the X5 plays. In fact literally the back seat of the car's sole purpose is to hold my sun visor and a box of Kleenex (and now in the COVID-19 world some extra masks and gloves).

For me personally the car fits me like a glove which is hard to do at 6'6" with a bit more upper body height in the ratio. I have more legroom and headliner clearance than in either of my last two sport sedans plus the runner up, i.e., a LC 500 (which has horribly thin seats). Of course in doing so the driver seat is all the way back and literally is touching the back seat. Once again though not a concern whatsoever but I'm likely a small percentage of the average car buying public in which a one passenger car at $100K plus works in a household.

[Big boi m5]

COVID hit
Car sales went down 50% or more.

And the 8 probably didn't move a unit. So why build more?

That's all it is. I bet the 8 will live 6-8 years simply because it's low volume like the Z4

[mjr24]

I don't feel people compare the M5 to the M8 when shopping. They are completely different demographics. The only similarity is they are both at the "higher end" of the BMW M models (and both great cars, don't get me wrong).

However, for $160k.....I'm not looking to be grouped in with all other BMW M owners, high-end or not. For that cash, I'm looking at something way more "special" such as a Bentley, Aston, high-end 911 Turbo/GTS, etc. Those cars aren't going to be $40k in 5 years.

I agree, for the money, the M8 interior is nothing special at all. All BMW interiors are pretty nice! However, they aren't Bentley nice.

[Resjudicata]

People vote with their dollars, and they aren't buying the 8s. They buy mustang's and 911s, but not the 8s. So there has to be a reason. We can all speculate, but it's likely due to the SUV craze that everyone above has mentioned.

Most people in the market today are looking for those big SUV, and especially as you get to the 6 figure range. This is for a host of reasons, but as mentioned by others above, because most people wealthy enough for these cars have families and are looking for room for 4+.

As mentioned above, it's a small niche that has $150k budget, looking for a 2 door, and isn't looking at a Porshe 911 or something similar.

[Ziosella]

Like new 4er, too difference from prototype to production. I know there are many many rules, normatives etc, but this not justify Bmw, these coupes aren't beautiful car. Good but not beautiful like F32 and the jewel was (and still is...) the E31. IMO.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Ziosella

Like new 4er, too difference from prototype to production. I know there are many many rules, normatives etc, but this not justify Bmw, these coupes aren't beautiful car. Good but not beautiful like F32 and the jewel was (and still is...) the E31. IMO.

I forgot how beautiful the 8 prototype was, also no B-pillar!

[SubzeroF90]

Contrary to what people are saying in this thread I believe the m8 is one of the best modern Ms Bmw has made in a very long time. It looks nothing like a mustang in person and to be honest anyone who says that probably has never seen one in person. The performance, rarity and uniqueness of it really makes me enjoy this car even more. I think they're priced a little high but I think Bmw did this to try to get a different type of buyer for the car. They wanted the m8 to be in a league of its own. To not be compared with the lower models. The only major issue I have with this car is the motor. It shares a lot of the same issues the f10 m5 has. Bending rods and weak engines. If I'm paying 160k for a M I expect it to be bulletproof. They should of found a way to put stronger components in the car at that price point instead of sticking a weak old engine in a high priced car.

[c^2]

Originally Posted by SubzeroF90

Contrary to what people are saying in this thread I believe the m8 is one of the best modern Ms Bmw has made in a very long time. It looks nothing like a mustang in person and to be honest anyone who says that probably has never seen one in person. The performance, rarity and uniqueness of it really makes me enjoy this car even more. I think they're priced a little high but I think Bmw did this to try to get a different type of buyer for the car. They wanted the m8 to be in a league of its own. To not be compared with the lower models. The only major issue I have with this car is the motor. It shares a lot of the same issues the f10 m5 has. Bending rods and weak engines. If I'm paying 160k for a M I expect it to be bulletproof. They should of found a way to put stronger components in the car at that price point instead of sticking a weak old engine in a high priced car.

^This.

I love my M8 [when it works]. If I didn't look at any other BMW in the line up and if I look at it objectively, it checks all the boxes.

But for a 160+ flagship, I'd expect some nicer touches e.g. 8-series specific seats, MASSAGERS, and etc akin to how the S63 stands out from other cars and the S560.

Not having fuses break when I use heated/cooled seats is a plus too...

[SubzeroF90]

Originally Posted by c^2

^This.

I love my M8 [when it works]. If I didn't look at any other BMW in the line up and if I look at it objectively, it checks all the boxes.

But for a 160+ flagship, I'd expect some nicer touches e.g. 8-series specific seats, MASSAGERS, and etc akin to how the S63 stands out from other cars and the S560.

Not having fuses break when I use heated/cooled seats is a plus too...

What time of issues have you experienced? Only one I noticed is the AC doesn't really work properly. The only time the car stays cold is if I have the temperature set to low. Anything else and it will blow a mixture of cool and hot air.