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I have an M8 GC--- I have no empirical data but limeypride used an RC on his GC and on map 7 he ran a 10.6X quarter and 2.6X zero to 60 (valid draggy data). So assume about 3 tenths of second gain on the RC with the Comp Edition. He did have better fuel than me when he ran the tests (Washington State) vs my crap 91 octane. Im probably in the 10.7 or 10.8 range which is great. The hp/tq gains are worth the small price to pay and its so easy to install and uninstall on the M cars with the engine bay layout.
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Back on topic: having run both for a couple of weeks, I still have a JB4--I think that speaks for itself. I tested the two side-by-side. The GTS Black returns less power than its equiv JB4. The GTS Black got closer to the JB4 in my tests per the numbers Vic cited but that was following a few tweaks from Racechip. Perhaps a bit ironically, that tweak from Racechip was only possible because I had a JB4 and used it to obtain detailed engine telemetry which I sent them. Without a JB4, they can't do that. The JB4 also has control over the electronic wastegates if ordered in that configuration--in my experience, this also leads to more power and better power delivery. Last edited by limeypride; 01-11-2021 at 10:33 AM.. |
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lol and Id bet he would be extra nice to you if you moved shop to Orlando!!!
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Haha. Tough one there.
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but I will say that it's been described as Apple IPhone vs Samsung Andriod. similar but different. one is more use friendly and bullet proof. the other is geared more towards professional IT folks. not to say that you can't use either. I bought my 89 year old father an iPhone. if he had a car, I'd buy him a GTS Black. |
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I provided actual data and you threw an analogy at me without a source. C'mon, dude—back it up with something if you're going to make such a claim. Ben sells Racechips but he is objective to a fault so no bias there. However, he has limited experience with JB4s as far as I know. Feel free to correct me here, Ben. Again, AFAIK, Vic has had one Racechip and zero JB4s so as much as I love both Vic and Ben, neither are particularly statistically compelling inputs to the reliability discussion you started. I even ran the two side-by-side and posted the results... admittedly no reliability data there, though. Seriously, though, man—you implicitly claimed the JB4 is unreliable and I can find nothing to back that up... I ask for something and... well, enough said up to this point. I'm open-minded but facts not unsubstantiated opinions usually work better. PS: I get the "ease of use" argument and it does hold true when comparing the advanced features... the JB4 is indeed powerful and complex because of it but it also does a helluva lot more. However, that ease of use argument doesn't hold when paired with the "set it and forget it" mentality since the JB4 requires no setup and defaults to map 1... so install it, do nothing more and you're done. The physical installation requirements when compared to the basic JB4 option are identical. |
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I would have absolutely given the JB4 a shot but there were two issues back then in August of 2018: the JB4 was not available and Ben was selling the RC (not an issue but a benefit that I can reflect back on with a smile. So went with the RC and have no complaints for the 29 months I had the the F90 and 1 month or so with the F93. 30 months on full map albeit still safe and the F90 had it on with just a few hundred miles.
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I have good experience and knowledge with JB4, hence they don't like me because I know too much. JB4 has more room to tweak around and produce more out of the engine. If you have time and willing to fiddle around, then JB4 is the piggyback for you. But, if you are going this far, I personally would just jump to flash tune and will be much safer aside from getting flagged on the warranty. RaceChip is much more simpler plug n play piggyback solution. Between limeypride and Vic55 , I knew both of you for couple years by now. Vic is more RaceChip guy since he just want something installed and just use it. Limey is more JB4 guy where he will spend time to datalog and fine tune it to his liking. For me, personally, either RaceChip or dyno tune. I don't have time to fiddle around too much, otherwise all of you guys will be on my ass cuz I can't even reply your postings, or DM's, or email.
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I can tell you sushi grade ahi tuna from Japan is better than grocery store salmon. but as r33_RGSport said: jb4 is programming, gts is plug and play. it's that simple. and for the OP, if you have to ask which one to use - you need the plug and play one. |
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Anyhoo, the JB4 provides faster acceleration than the Racechip--period. I'd assert it's reliable, too. I've personally tested them both on the same car at the same time--they were quite literally stacked atop one another and I conducted back-to-back tests on the same day with the same setup and the same gas. Neither required any SW configuration of any kind. However, for the Racechip was to compete with the JB4's map 1 default (and they're too close to call with a butt dyno when setup like this), it did need to be set to its most aggressive map... hence it is actually 1-step more than a JB4 (and that even rhymes so I'll begin work on a jingle immediately). Their respective installs are identical. The Racechip is a great product and does as advertised. So does the JB4. Both appear to be reliable based on partial firsthand experience and Goo... I mean Bing research. @OP: go with either, you'll be happy. Add Ben to the mix for the supply, install, coding and overall great buying experience and I'm with you--the Racechip makes most sense. As for me and my unwitting pedestal moment here: I was trying to point out that the JB4 is a reliable product. How we got here... well. The thanks there goes to... Vic--yup, it was all Vic's fault. Last edited by limeypride; 01-11-2021 at 11:42 PM.. |
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