[P1]

Oh, China? No surprise. I have read similar stories before.

[valbmw]

What a terrible story, considering the news media put it correctly.

When a ghetto drug addicted female treats her child as an expendable, it is disgusting but has explanation. But that female was wealthy enough to drive a BMW. The whole situation was about the price of a side window vs. child's life, and here I stuck.

What the hell was she waiting for? What about the onlookers' reaction, it's such a shame the whole crowd was standing doing nothing and just watching. May be making selfies? Posting to Facebook? Hopefully somebody had brains to call the firefighters for urgent action.

I hope there is a law in that city and this biological mother will be sued and parental rights will be disputed. I wish this child will grow up and see that clip, and so he will never absorb such a perverted attitude to anyone.

[jfox335i]

Originally Posted by SunnyD

I'm Chinese and that sounds about right.

I'm married to a Chinese woman and I agree with your assessment.

[Lups]

I still say she must have been scared of the father and his reaction on the "ruined" car. No mom would stand around and not break a window.

[NEFARIOUS]

Originally Posted by Lups

I still say she must have been scared of the father and his reaction on the "ruined" car. No mom would stand around and not break a window.

You're making a lot of assumptions, LOL... Chinese people are actually materialistic enough to make this happen.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by NEFARIOUS

You're making a lot of assumptions, LOL... Chinese people are actually materialistic enough to make this happen.

I am aware there are cultural differences here, but I still would not believe any woman would let a window keep them from their baby.

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by OneRib

Agree that it's horrible, but what is with the bush league reporting. Really? The car accidentally locked itself.

What really happened? Did she lock herself out? Did the kid get to fob and lock it?

Would not be a lawsuit in the US because the firefighters would have broken the window and ignored the mom.

That kid is going to need therapy.

Originally Posted by Lups

I am aware there are cultural differences here, but I still would not believe any woman would let a window keep them from their baby.

Our cars have that setting whereby the car will lock itself after a period of inactivity, provided that setting is activated. I'm not saying whether it was or wasn't activated, just that it is a feature of our cars and if it is activated, there's nothing accidental about it's "doing it's thing."

Frankly, I think the mother needs therapy. Kids are resilient and mentally malleable; the child will probably recover or at least learn to adapt to its circumstances. The mother has likely passed the age of maturity, so it's going to take more, I think, to get her to stop suppressing her maternal instincts, or to imbue her with more of them than she seems to have.

All the best.

[OneRib]

Originally Posted by tony20009

Our cars have that setting whereby the car will lock itself after a period of inactivity, provided that setting is activated. I'm not saying whether it was or wasn't activated, just that it is a feature of our cars and if it is activated, there's nothing accidental about it's "doing it's thing."

Frankly, I think the mother needs therapy. Kids are resilient and mentally malleable; the child will probably recover or at least learn to adapt to its circumstances. The mother has likely passed the age of maturity, so it's going to take more, I think, to get her to stop suppressing her maternal instincts, or to imbue her with more of them than she seems to have.

All the best.

Thanks for the info about the setting.

I agree the mom needs therapy, but I was going on the assumption that the cumulative damage to that child over time will cause the need for therapy. This must be one incident of many unfortunately.

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by OneRib

Thanks for the info about the setting.

I agree the mom needs therapy, but I was going on the assumption that the cumulative damage to that child over time will cause the need for therapy. This must be one incident of many unfortunately.

I have no idea if the incident of which we learned is one of many. Let's just pray, for the child's sake, that the mother had a momentary "brain fart," and that she's otherwise a good parent.

All the best.

[OneRib]

Originally Posted by tony20009

I have no idea if the incident of which we learned is one of many. Let's just pray, for the child's sake, that the mother had a momentary "brain fart," and that she's otherwise a good parent.

All the best.

I hope you're right.

[NEFARIOUS]

Originally Posted by Lups

I am aware there are cultural differences here, but I still would not believe any woman would let a window keep them from their baby.

Then again, we're talking about a country that gives their DOG... TWO... GOLDEN ($10,000 USD)... Apple Watches, who routinely have 2 people order enough food for 10 people and not have any of it put into doggie bags or even donated to the homeless, and many exaggerated forms of materialism. Now, you may ask, how does China treat their own people? Like crap. They are cocky, arrogant, self-centered and if an old man falls onto the street, they don't help them up. Why? Not only do they not have a Good Samaritan Law, much less der Unterlassene Hilfeleistung (failure to provide assistance penalties) like they do in Germany... Even worse. The old guy often does it on purpose so that he can sue whoever touched him and falsely accuse the Good Samaritan of pushing/wrestling him down. Since their justice system is heavily biased towards Plaintiffs, there's almost no fighting it either. Don't get me started on the ability to bribe the government.

To us, she has clearly lost it and is bat-fuck insane. To them, it's another beautiful day in the neighborhood where they treat their possessions better than their own people. AND keep in mind that I have seen some of these types of people personally, although probably not as extreme as window-saving psycho here.

http://www.ibtimes.com/china-confirm...est-level-2000

[valbmw]

I believe generalizing on the whole nation what one learned about somebody, a few individuals or a group is a totally wrong way. That's how the most false and offensive labels are created (all ... are ...), mostly because of very limited information or some personal issues, or both.

This is typical today, the weirdos of all kinds hit the tabloids to amaze readers, when the majority of normal people stay unknown where they are. Just be smart to differentiate.

[P1]

Originally Posted by valbmw

I believe generalizing on the whole nation what one learned about somebody, a few individuals or a group is a totally wrong way. That's how the most false and offensive labels are created (all ... are ...), mostly because of very limited information or some personal issues, or both.

This is typical today, the weirdos of all kinds hit the tabloids to amaze readers, when the majority of normal people stay unknown where they are. Just be smart to differentiate.

Don't get me started on all the crazy Russian videos I see online!

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by NEFARIOUS

.... you may ask, how does China treat their own people? Like crap. They are cocky, arrogant, self-centered and if an old man falls onto the street, they don't help them up. ...

??? Say what??? You could not be louder, stronger or wronger!

I might not rebut your comment were you to have made them specifically with regard to one or several governmental policies or actions, but picking up a fallen old man from off the street isn't at all a governmental action. Moreover, you can rest assured that if nobody helped the man up -- something that is a literal impossibility -- a policeman would eventually show up and do so, just as one would in U.S. or any other Western country. Additionally, unlike American culture, the Chinese one values seniority.

There are over a billion people in China. I'm sure you can find examples to illustrate the claims you made above. I am in the PRC almost every week and have worked there for nearly a decade now.

What you claim above isn't at all what I've observed. Not from total strangers whom I just see going about their business. Not from the people whom I meet but don't otherwise know. Not from the people whom I know.

In fact my experiences and observations have been exactly the opposite. So much so that I think Chinese people may be the most generous, interpersonally outgoing, humble, curious and helpful people I've come across in all my travels.

Cocky, arrogant and self-centered? Those are traits I am sure some Chinese people have, but as a culture, I just don't see it. I think culturally, those traits are more typically American, not Chinese.

• Humility: http://www.ipedr.com/vol29/24-CEBMM2012-Q00050.pdf
• Arrogance: As a Manifest Destiny governmental policy, I can see why one might cite arrogance as a trait. (http://thediplomat.com/2010/07/china...ous-arrogance/) I would ask, however, if the Monroe Doctrine/Manifest Destiny was good for the goose (USA/UK), why is it not good for the gander (China)?
  
  If there is one thing I've observed the Chinese to be very good at doing, it's emulating the successful acts of others. China's imperialist moves aren't so different than those of many Western countries. Moreover, Western nations have a long history of sticking their noses in other coutries' business and taking the stance that they know best. It's at least a bit disingenuous that now Western nations see it as arrogant when China adopts similar policy positions.
  
  As for arrogance being part of the core nature of the Chinese people, individuals, I really don't see that at all, quite the opposite in fact. Certainly no more so than is anyone who is by a third party told what they should or should not do, think or say.

You write that you've first hand experience in China. I'd think from that experience you'd know quite well that for more so than in most Western countries that there are two Chinas: the Chinese government China and the people of China. In my experience in the PRC, what I observe from the government and what I observe from the people are vastly different observations and attitudes.
All the best.

[P1]

Originally Posted by tony20009

??? Say what??? You could not be louder, stronger or wronger!

I might not rebut your comment were you to have made them specifically with regard to one or several governmental policies or actions, but picking up a fallen old man from off the street isn't at all a governmental action. Moreover, you can rest assured that if nobody helped the man up -- something that is a literal impossibility -- a policeman would eventually show up and do so, just as one would in U.S. or any other Western country. Additionally, unlike American culture, the Chinese one values seniority.

There are over a billion people in China. I'm sure you can find examples to illustrate the claims you made above. I am in the PRC almost every week and have worked there for nearly a decade now.

What you claim above isn't at all what I've observed. Not from total strangers whom I just see going about their business. Not from the people whom I meet but don't otherwise know. Not from the people whom I know.

In fact my experiences and observations have been exactly the opposite. So much so that I think Chinese people may be the most generous, interpersonally outgoing, humble, curious and helpful people I've come across in all my travels.

Cocky, arrogant and self-centered? Those are traits I am sure some Chinese people have, but as a culture, I just don't see it. I think culturally, those traits are more typically American, not Chinese.

• Humility: http://www.ipedr.com/vol29/24-CEBMM2012-Q00050.pdf
• Arrogance: As a Manifest Destiny governmental policy, I can see why one might cite arrogance as a trait. (http://thediplomat.com/2010/07/china...ous-arrogance/) I would ask, however, if the Monroe Doctrine/Manifest Destiny was good for the goose (USA/UK), why is it not good for the gander (China)?
  
  If there is one thing I've observed the Chinese to be very good at doing, it's emulating the successful acts of others. China's imperialist moves aren't so different than those of many Western countries. Moreover, Western nations have a long history of sticking their noses in other coutries' business and taking the stance that they know best. It's at least a bit disingenuous that now Western nations see it as arrogant when China adopts similar policy positions.
  
  As for arrogance being part of the core nature of the Chinese people, individuals, I really don't see that at all, quite the opposite in fact. Certainly no more so than is anyone who is by a third party told what they should or should not do, think or say.

You write that you've first hand experience in China. I'd think from that experience you'd know quite well that for more so than in most Western countries that there are two Chinas: the Chinese government China and the people of China. In my experience in the PRC, what I observe from the government and what I observe from the people are vastly different observations and attitudes.
All the best.

I really wish you would let bimmette interview you. Please set that up.

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by P1et

I really wish you would let bimmette interview you. Please set that up.

That is not going to happen.

All the best.

[valbmw]

Originally Posted by P1et

Don't get me started on all the crazy Russian videos I see online!

You've got my point crazy online videos are from everywhere.

[Kwando]

Originally Posted by SunnyD

I'm Chinese and that sounds about right.

I am also Chinese and can confirm that we're all senseless, materialistic assholes.

[P1]

Originally Posted by tony20009

That is not going to happen.

All the best.

Why not Tony?

[tony20009]

Originally Posted by P1et

Why not Tony?

Because I'm not going to do it. I don't owe you an explanation for why I'm not going to do it and I'm not going to give you a better explanation than I just did. End of discussion on that topic.

All the best.

[ChrisMT79]

Well, although I know from personal experience from yearly travels to Asia that this is obviously not representative of the entire culture/countries.
Having two bi-racial children of my own (asian/american) I can not think of one thing I would place in-front of my children/family from a priority standpoint (my life included).
The mere fact that this was even contemplated (let alone actually occurred) left a serious WTF?! on me as to the future generations, and what sort of mind set is being created in that anyone placed a depreciating/replaceable object before the safety and well being of their children.
I will (gladly) never understand, but it is extremely sad and disturbing.
Ok, I'm going to hug my children now...

[P1]

Originally Posted by tony20009

Because I'm not going to do it. I don't owe you an explanation for why I'm not going to do it and I'm not going to give you a better explanation than I just did. End of discussion on that topic.

All the best.

Well, no need to be rude to me Tony. I was merely politely asking.