[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by Ozzie8

alpha geek

Originally Posted by Ozzie8

Great pick up. I may have been too hasty in blaming Microsoft...

Not at all as with nearly 30 years in IT from a professional career standpoint the first to blame is the network, the second to blame is the firewall (not a play in this scenario) and the 3rd to blame is Microsoft and hence the infamous ctrl-alt-del to solve the problem.

[BeeMdblU]

No issue with mine, ios 14.0.1

[silviang]

If you look at the release notes for the last update of "BMW Connected" (10.9) they state the following:

We are working together with Apple on a known malfunction within the function "Remote 3D view" in iOS 14.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Ozzie8

Great pick up. I may have been too hasty in blaming Microsoft...

Curious—where the heck did Microsoft enter this picture?

[Ozzie8]

Given the speed at which BMW Connected operates including the instantaneous nature of in car software and app updates, I concluded that this was because BMW were running the whole platform on a Windows XP 2000 Server located in Almaty. This theory, like many theories, has transgressed into pseudo reality. And for that I offer an unreserved apology to Microsoft and its amazing staff for any offence caused.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

Not at all as with nearly 30 years in IT from a professional career standpoint the first to blame is the network, the second to blame is the firewall (not a play in this scenario) and the 3rd to blame is Microsoft and hence the infamous ctrl-alt-del to solve the problem.

Na Na Na nah... you missed DNS—it's been the bane of my life for 2 decades.

And to be clear, MICROSOFT DIDN'T WRITE OR BREAK DNS.

[RJC-1]

Ok you tech gurus, who's OS platform is better all around...Mac or Windows?

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by Ozzie8

Given the speed at which BMW Connected operates including the instantaneous nature of in car software and app updates, I concluded that this was because BMW were running the whole platform on a Windows XP 2000 Server located in Almaty. This theory, like many theories, has transgressed into pseudo reality. And for that I offer an unreserved apology to Microsoft and its amazing staff for any offence caused.

Originally Posted by limeypride

Na Na Na nah... you missed DNS—it's been the bane of my life for 2 decades.

And to be clear, MICROSOFT DIDN'T WRITE OR BREAK DNS.

Agreed but it has been less of a bane for me as I've never let an Enterprise I've worked for leverage AD for DNS outside of what was needed for the MS ecosphere to function. Side not being that I absolutely cringed when Oracle acquired Dyn and still hope they don't screw that up.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by BeeMdblU

No issue with mine, ios 14.0.1

Now this is where it gets interesting as after seeing your post last evening and checking my iPhone the upgrade last week was to 14.0 vs 14.0.1. I checked the release notes on 14.0.1 (no CVEs and basically enhancements but zero mention of any 3rd party fixes). I set my phone to update overnight vs watching the paint dry. Today I tried again with the latest Connected App 10.9 and 14.0.1 and the same grey blocks result of the OP.

So now the plot thickens, i.e., is it a regional server issue on the back-end? The release notes for the 10.9 app indicates it is not but rather iOS 14 itself but you've proven that otherwise. Thus, stabbing in the dark leads me to wonder if the Connected Cloud service in Canada is a different back-end than the US.

My guess is yes given in my past life (about 3 years ago) I was tasked with building a Cloud service specifically for Canada vs what we had running for the rest of NA. At the time this was due to Canadian government contracts we had for the service in play but roll the clock forward with GDPR and Canada's equivalent in the way of PIPEDA it makes sense for BMW to do so. In fact several states with CA being the first followed by Arizona and others have similar privacy legislation in play. BMW still can likely get away with a single Connected Drive service for the US but they will need to be cognizant of the lowest common denominators across the state legislation.

[BeeMdblU]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

Now this is where it gets interesting as after seeing your post last evening and checking my iPhone the upgrade last week was to 14.0 vs 14.0.1. I checked the release notes on 14.0.1 (no CVEs and basically enhancements but zero mention of any 3rd party fixes). I set my phone to update overnight vs watching the paint dry. Today I tried again with the latest Connected App 10.9 and 14.0.1 and the same grey blocks result of the OP.

So now the plot thickens, i.e., is it a regional server issue on the back-end? The release notes for the 10.9 app indicates it is not but rather iOS 14 itself but you've proven that otherwise. Thus, stabbing in the dark leads me to wonder if the Connected Cloud service in CA is a different back-end than the US.

My guess is yes given in my past life (about 3 years ago) I was tasked with building a Cloud service specifically for CA vs what we had running for the rest of NA. At the time this was due to CA government contracts we had for the service in play but roll the clock forward with GDPR and CA's equivalent in the way of PIPEDA it makes sense for BMW to do so. In fact several states with CA being the first followed by Arizona and others have similar privacy legislation in play. BMW still can likely get away with a single Connected Drive service for the US but they will need to be cognizant of the lowest common denominators across the state legislation.

And I thought Chinese was the most difficult language

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by BeeMdblU

And I thought Chinese was the most difficult language

Apologies and just cleaned up the post as I realized CA works for both Canada and California. As for the rest, it's just the world of privacy law I've lived in for the past decade or so.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

Agreed but it has been less of a bane for me as I've never let an Enterprise I've worked for leverage AD for DNS outside of what was needed for the MS ecosphere to function. Side not being that I absolutely cringed when Oracle acquired Dyn and still hope they don't screw that up.

Secure DDNS updates or no DDNS are the only two options for AD-->delegate those zones-->only one vendor (AFAIK to date) properly supported secure DDNS.

Insecure DDNS for AD-->uh oh.

No DDNS-->unscalable... so only one option.

Not sure we agree on this one.

Anyhoo, we digress. ... back to cars-

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by Ozzie8

Given the speed at which BMW Connected operates including the instantaneous nature of in car software and app updates, I concluded that this was because BMW were running the whole platform on a Windows XP 2000 Server located in Almaty. This theory, like many theories, has transgressed into pseudo reality. And for that I offer an unreserved apology to Microsoft and its amazing staff for any offence caused.

Well you sure as heck didn't offend me--but I can't speak for the rest of my merry blue band. . All interpreted as tongue in cheek on my end just in case my CAPS were perceived otherwise.

PS: XP == Server 2003. Windows 2000 Server == Windows 2000 Professional... I'm just sayin'.

Almaty?!? LMAO... how the heck did you land on that one.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by RJC-1

Ok you tech gurus, who's OS platform is better all around...Mac or Windows?

<-- // my answer is subtle, but it's in there

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by limeypride

Secure DDNS updates or no DDNS are the only two options for AD-->delegate those zones-->only one vendor (AFAIK to date) properly supported secure DDNS.

Insecure DDNS for AD-->uh oh.

No DDNS-->unscalable... so only one option.

Not sure we agree on this one.

Anyhoo, we digress. ... back to cars-

Nope there are other players out there supporting secure DDNS but to your point there are others that do not. That said I'm just busting your balls (although my statement was true on non-reliance to AD DNS) in the spirit of Ozzie's original blame it on MS posting.

Back to the cars.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by RJC-1

Ok you tech gurus, who's OS platform is better all around...Mac or Windows?

Honestly I've been running OSX now rebranded as MacOS for well over a decade given my UNIX background (OSX is based on a variant, i.e., BSD). However, with Windows 7 Microsoft significantly broke ground over the past and built on that with Windows 10. Windows 10 is a solid operating system with all of the UI features needed, i.e. multiple desktops, etc. so I've been for the most part practically running it exclusively since 2015 in my work and professional life. Sure I have a 2018 MacBook Pro that gathers dust until I need it for its one specific purpose and a MacMini driving part of my HomeTheater but they are one offs vs day to day computing needs. Hands down Windows 10.

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by limeypride

Well you sure as heck didn't offend me--but I can't speak for the rest of my merry blue band. . All interpreted as tongue in cheek on my end just in case my CAPS were perceived otherwise.

PS: XP == Server 2003. Windows 2000 Server == Windows 2000 Professional... I'm just sayin'.

Almaty?!? LMAO... how the heck did you land on that one.

Only us geeks in the business know this including Windows 7 equals Sever 2008 R2, etc. Don't confuse the masses.

[limeypride]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

Only us geeks in the business know this including Windows 7 equals Sever 2008 R2, etc. Don't confuse the masses.

Hehehe, them there's the facts... we can share .

[RJC-1]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

Honestly I've been running OSX now rebranded as MacOS for well over a decade given my UNIX background (OSX is based on a variant, i.e., BSD). However, with Windows 7 Microsoft significantly broke ground over the past and built on that with Windows 10. Windows 10 is a solid operating system with all of the UI features needed, i.e. multiple desktops, etc. so I've been for the most part practically running it exclusively since 2015 in my work and professional life. Sure I have a 2018 MacBook Pro that gathers dust until I need it for its one specific purpose and a MacMini driving part of my HomeTheater but they are one offs vs day to day computing needs. Hands down Windows 10.

Originally Posted by limeypride

<-- // my answer is subtle, but it's in there

Interesting, the unanymous nod goes to Windows, which is what my business uses although we are Apple friendly. What browser do you guys prefer for Windows?

[bloozemanAZ]

Originally Posted by RJC-1

Interesting, the unanymous nod goes to Windows, which is what my business uses although we are Apple friendly. What browser do you guys prefer for Windows?

It's been a journey from Firefox (Mozilla based) starting in about 2005 to adopting Chrome in 2009 (when it was released for OSX so I could have a universal browser) and continue to use it as my go to browser to this day (using it right now to post this). That said I see Microsoft's latest Edge (based on Google's open source Chromium engine) and released last year as a solid contender. MS made a solid move with it and from my understanding the Windows Teams client also uses the Chromium engine as well which indicates to me they are betting the farm on it vs proprietary engines of the past (IE and original Edge).

[RJC-1]

Originally Posted by bloozemanAZ

It's been a journey from Firefox (Mozilla based) starting in about 2005 to adopting Chrome in 2009 (when it was released for OSX so I could have a universal browser) and continue to use it as my go to browser to this day (using it right now to post this). That said I see Microsoft's latest Edge (based on Google's open source Chromium engine) and released last year as a solid contender. MS made a solid move with it and from my understanding the Windows Teams client also uses the Chromium engine as well which indicates to me they are betting the farm on it vs proprietary engines of the past (IE and original Edge).

Thanks for confirming something for me, I've found the new Edge to be quite solid, as Chrome crashes every so often, actually more so lately

[chillo]

ive got this problem too! iOS14.0.1 and 10.9.1990 and i'm 2019.11