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      01-10-2020, 09:02 PM   #23
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Here's a video from Sportauto from their hot lap of the M8 Competition around the Hockenheim GP circuit in 1:53.1.

Here's some comparison times (from Fastestlaps):

Ferrari 458 Speciale -- 1:51.44
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT 63 S -- 1:52.80
Audi R8 V10 Plus (Mk II) -- 1:52.90
M8 Competition -- 1:53.1
Audi R8 V10 Performance -- 1:53.30
Porsche 911 Carrera S (992) -- 1:53.30
Porsche 911 GT3 (991) -- 1:53.90
Porsche 911 Carrera GTS -- 1:54.00
McLaren MP4-12C Spider -- 1:54.10

It's slower than the AMG GT 63 S.
How fast is the M5 Competition?
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      01-10-2020, 10:22 PM   #24
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Absent contrary specification, I assume that is the AMG GT 2 door coupť?
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      01-10-2020, 10:27 PM   #25
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Absent contrary specification, I assume that is the AMG GT 2 door coupé?
The AMG GT 63 S is the four door coupé.
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It's slower than the AMG GT 63 S.
How fast is the M5 Competition?
F90 M5 Competition = 1:55:60
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Well, there are several Porsche below the 1 minute 50 mark but it's impressive that 4300-4600lbs cars like the M8 and GT63s can perform at this level.
It's a tribute to the quality of the AWD systems, traction control and suspension setups. 600+hp engines help of course

Also incredible that the base 992 Carrera S came in at 1:53:30.
The 992 would have been faster yet with Michelinís vs the Pirellis. It is incredible that a car making under 450 hp and basically the lowest performance level 911 is right there matching or beating every other manufacturers very best performance cars. Just shows the 992 is still the benchmark and the more potent variants are going to be largely unbeatable.
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Sport Auto driver seems to have overcooked it in at least one corner, likely due to greasy street tires; so itís probable that the car had quite a bit more speed on proper racing compound.

But to make the lap results meaningful, each car will have to be driven by the same driver on the same tire compound and under the same atmospheric conditions.
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The 992 would have been faster yet with Michelinís vs the Pirellis. It is incredible that a car making under 450 hp and basically the lowest performance level 911 is right there matching or beating every other manufacturers very best performance cars. Just shows the 992 is still the benchmark and the more potent variants are going to be largely unbeatable.
Would've, could've, should've...

Well the fact of the matter it is, it wasn't faster. The M8 could've also gone faster if the track wasn't so greasy. You do realize that the Carrera S weighs almost a thousand pounds less than the M8 right? Give credit where it's due, that's a good time.
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F90 M5 Competition = 1:55:60
It's weird that it's that much slower.

I remember a test where they compared the F90 Competition with the AMG GT 63 S at the same day with same weather conditions and the M5 was actually a bit faster.

I don't know how the conditions were when the AMG GT 63 S was driven at the Hockenheim ring. It seems that it was winter when they drove the M8 and considering the Pirellis as well, I guess the M8 would be faster than the AMG GT 63 S if they would drive both at the same day. But that's speculations of course.
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Would've, could've, should've...

Well the fact of the matter it is, it wasn't faster. The M8 could've also gone faster if the track wasn't so greasy. You do realize that the Carrera S weighs almost a thousand pounds less than the M8 right? Give credit where it's due, that's a good time.
This ^

But M8 is a different purpose car from 911, so unlikely many track enthusiasts will consider buying M8 for track work. While an occasional track day is doable, it remains to be seen if stock M8 can run consistent hard laps without cooking the brakes and the dreaded ĎDrivetrain malfunctioní. Again, 4400 lbs GT car wasnít built for track.

While 911 is a dual purpose machine. It can run hard all day at the track and then comfortably double as daily. First hand experience.

Also, as I wrote above, comparing lap times achieved by different drivers on different days on different tires is meaningless.
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Sort of a proof of concept that with proper engineering a big boi like the M8 can win Daytona and compete with the high end competition like 911 and Ferrari, at an amateur level, and still have the most comfortable drive home from the track.

Of course it'll cost you in tires and pads to stop that thing, in the grand scheme that's hardly a big deal if you're shopping for those cars.
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The M8 is a GT car through and through. Try fitting two-weeks worth of luggage and provisions in your 911.
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It's weird that it's that much slower.

I remember a test where they compared the F90 Competition with the AMG GT 63 S at the same day with same weather conditions and the M5 was actually a bit faster.

I don't know how the conditions were when the AMG GT 63 S was driven at the Hockenheim ring. It seems that it was winter when they drove the M8 and considering the Pirellis as well, I guess the M8 would be faster than the AMG GT 63 S if they would drive both at the same day. But that's speculations of course.
The GT63S can come with PS4S or PSC2 tyres so that could be the difference, about the same or slower than the M5 with 300 treadwear tyres then a few seconds faster with 180 treadwear tyres.
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Impressive numbers for such a heavy car.

It just proves what BMW dose best
You are right Miko, M8 is more then 4000lbs Jesus
Around 4200lbs when equipped with the lightest components (mainly carbon ceramic brakes)

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Wow that GT63 is crazy fast...
Yep.

My worry is that the M8GC Competition is significantly heavier than the M8CC, so its time will be slower than this one probably, and it will lose the battle agains that AMG GT.

Not just that, but I have the feeling the AMG will feel racier/sportier.

That AMG is a supremely well executed product.
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Wow that GT63 is crazy fast...
Yep.

My worry is that the M8GC Competition is significantly heavier than the M8CC, so its time will be slower than this one probably, and it will lose the battle agains that AMG GT.

Not just that, but I have the feeling the AMG will feel racier/sportier.

That AMG is a supremely well executed product.
Yes, but is it worth the $40K premium over a comparably equipped M8CGC?
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I was also surprised not to see much use of the paddles...relying on the automatic to make the shifts.
To be honest, I'm not all that surprised...

The whole direction with the ZF8 is more gears, closer ratios, lower redline and shorter times between shifts. This only works when the car gets to decide when to change gear.

It's getting super-hard for a driver to be part of that process. Especially with the lag between hitting the paddle and a downshift happening.

Sadly, the car can't see the road ahead. The car doesn't know what gear I want to be in 3 seconds from now. And that is both frustrating and dis-satisfying for the driver. I'm really hoping that this isn't the box they put in the new M3/4.

Check out the review below from 4m20s onwards to see what I mean:

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Interesting on the perceived lag when shifting by paddle which is surprising on a M car. I have only tracked my tuned 230i once and was instructed to use the paddles, especially to downshift. Of course at your first HDPE class you're so excited about being on a track, you don't notice lag or how well the auto is up-shifting.

Thank you for sharing this video.
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To be honest, I'm not all that surprised...

The whole direction with the ZF8 is more gears, closer ratios, lower redline and shorter times between shifts. This only works when the car gets to decide when to change gear.

It's getting super-hard for a driver to be part of that process. Especially with the lag between hitting the paddle and a downshift happening.

Sadly, the car can't see the road ahead. The car doesn't know what gear I want to be in 3 seconds from now. And that is both frustrating and dis-satisfying for the driver. I'm really hoping that this isn't the box they put in the new M3/4.

Check out the review below from 4m20s onwards to see what I mean:
I guess I don't follow. I see the gears change and he appears to be in S3 mode.
The car has somewhat big paddles so shifting may not be visible other than in the cluster.
I find the ZF to be very well mated to the car and aggressive and fast shifting in D3 mode, not unlike a Dual clutch.

While a controversial move I think the ZF has proven itself in the M5/M8
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Would've, could've, should've...

Well the fact of the matter it is, it wasn't faster. The M8 could've also gone faster if the track wasn't so greasy. You do realize that the Carrera S weighs almost a thousand pounds less than the M8 right? Give credit where it's due, that's a good time.
Not saying it isnít impressive, but realistically it does have a much better power to weight so it should be much faster based on that. It also costs about 30-40K more than a Carrera S. Plus the M8 Competition it the fastest M car vs basically the slowest 911. What this tells me is that even a 992 GTS is going to be significantly faster let alone the turbo models and GT cars. The old 991 turbo which is now almost 10 years old did 1:50.00.
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Not saying it isnít impressive, but realistically it does have a much better power to weight so it should be much faster based on that. It also costs about 30-40K more than a Carrera S. Plus the M8 Competition it the fastest M car vs basically the slowest 911. What this tells me is that even a 992 GTS is going to be significantly faster let alone the turbo models and GT cars. The old 991 turbo which is now almost 10 years old did 1:50.00.

The slowest Carrera is not the Carrera S. That would be the base Carrera.
Which still isn't a competitor to the M8.

The Panamera is roughly the same weight as the M8, and the only version that has run on the same track with the same driver, albeit on a different day, was a full seven seconds slower that the M8. Granted it was the Panamera GTS, but I don't see any Panamera beating the M8 Competition at Hockenheim GP by a wide margin.
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The slowest Carrera is not the Carrera S. That would be the base Carrera.
Which still isn't a competitor to the M8.

The Panamera is roughly the same weight as the M8, and the only version that has run on the same track with the same driver, albeit on a different day, was a full seven seconds slower that the M8. Granted it was the Panamera GTS, but I don't see any Panamera beating the M8 Competition at Hockenheim GP by a wide margin.
Unless BMW has it wrong, they wanted to directly compete with the 911 and there itís quite a bit slower than the now generation old turbo which is its most direct competition from the 911 and similar pricing. The old Panamera GTS was not only heavier but also had about 200 less hp, and more realistically more than that so hard to tell but the turbo and turbo S can definitely put down some fast track times.
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