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      11-30-2020, 01:49 PM   #23
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I love me some GT500 exhaust sound(s).... those things are ridiculously aggressive in tone and decibels.

As for the race, not shocked at the results at all.
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If I am not mistaken the GT500 is rated at 3.5 sec from 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph). Thus considering the M8 comp does even better to begin with than its specs say, PLUS the fact that it launches incredibly well (to be seen and noticed on many car reviews especially for those who do not own one and cannot enjoy it live), the outcome should be quite obvious and expected as it shows.
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Its just weird to me that every video I see on this front page are basically straight line drag races....

What happened to BMW building cars that handle well through a track?

Do you guys really care about this straight line speed? Is it 1977 and we're racing camaros and mustangs at lights?

Congrats BMW, you make fast boats now. This car is like 5,000lbs. The 5 series is the size of the old 7, 3 series size of the 5. Boring.

I just... don't care about straight line speed. Theres so much more to driving

Oh and I'll take the Mustang for significantly less $$. $130K and up is for Porsches
So true & refreshing to see this post as I didn't think anyone in the US cared or even understood about driving dynamics anymore.
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The M8 is amazing, but I'll take the GT500 for the price of an M440 please.
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Like many have mentioned, you're not going to find one of these Mustangs for under $100K after options and markups. The idea in riding around in a $100K+ Ford with the fit & finish of a Hertz rental car seems ludicrous.
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Its just weird to me that every video I see on this front page are basically straight line drag races....

What happened to BMW building cars that handle well through a track?

Do you guys really care about this straight line speed? Is it 1977 and we're racing camaros and mustangs at lights?

Congrats BMW, you make fast boats now. This car is like 5,000lbs. The 5 series is the size of the old 7, 3 series size of the 5. Boring.

I just... don't care about straight line speed. Theres so much more to driving

Oh and I'll take the Mustang for significantly less $$. $130K and up is for Porsches
Yeah, 99.9% of all BMW owners will never track their car....so straight line speed is what matters, either from the stop or passing on the highway
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Hmm...$176k?! I think I'll take the GT500 plus a 718 GT4 for around the same money.
New GT500s have stickers ranging from around 90k up to 130k, and I've seen one for over 150. If I search for new M8s, I'm currently seeing one for 140 something. My point is that, the price difference between the GT500 and M8 isn't as much as you think. Sticker price depends on how you option them, but this is always the case. Also consider that BMW often offers decent loyalty credits. I'm not sure if Ford would do that for a GT500. If anything dealers would likely be marking them up during normal times.

The GT500 makes a compelling case regardless though.
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Very cool! I'd still take the GT500
I kept my eye on the GT500 as I was making my way down the shortlist that became my 2020 M850i. One did not exist but I did check out a GT350. Ultimately I wanted more luxury than it could offer and expected the same with the GT500. Also tech wise aka Infotainment although SYNC has made many strides over the years it cannot touch iDrive 7 whatsoever. Plus the B&O audio couldn't even come close to touching the B&W in the 8-series.
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Its just weird to me that every video I see on this front page are basically straight line drag races....

What happened to BMW building cars that handle well through a track?

Do you guys really care about this straight line speed? Is it 1977 and we're racing camaros and mustangs at lights?

Congrats BMW, you make fast boats now. This car is like 5,000lbs. The 5 series is the size of the old 7, 3 series size of the 5. Boring.

I just... don't care about straight line speed. Theres so much more to driving

Oh and I'll take the Mustang for significantly less $$. $130K and up is for Porsches
Yeah, 99.9% of all BMW owners will never track their car....so straight line speed is what matters, either from the stop or passing on the highway
Imagine this - living somewhere with windy roads (and) hills
Imagine snow and rain and slush and traction and an interior that's a joy to be in and 3,200 mile drives that are fun and relaxing and ambient lighting that adds to it all and gesture controls and self driving and a carbon core for weight distribution and rigidity and electric windows shades and 3D surround-view for parking and an infotainment system not based on something Microsoft puked out in the 1990s (doh!) and massage seats... wait, the M8 doesn't have those.

This is like comparing a bicycle to a donkey—pointless. Guess which one the BMW is.
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Its just weird to me that every video I see on this front page are basically straight line drag races....

What happened to BMW building cars that handle well through a track?

Do you guys really care about this straight line speed? Is it 1977 and we're racing camaros and mustangs at lights?

Congrats BMW, you make fast boats now. This car is like 5,000lbs. The 5 series is the size of the old 7, 3 series size of the 5. Boring.

I just... don't care about straight line speed. Theres so much more to driving

Oh and I'll take the Mustang for significantly less $$. $130K and up is for Porsches
Yeah, 99.9% of all BMW owners will never track their car....so straight line speed is what matters, either from the stop or passing on the highway
I do. Loved it... almost as much as I enjoy hitting 60 in 2.5s from a traffic light against various suped-up minivans and their judgmental mom drivers.
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The GT500's biggest problem are the Ford dealers. Everyone keeps mentioning the ~$72k price on the GT500, but ever single one I've seen has a significant dealer markup putting at lot closer to $100k.
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I laugh every time I see one for sale $120k + on auto trader. Sad thing is some ppl must be paying if if all the dealers are pricing this way.

Crazy to think some would opt for that over building one for significantly less. Hoping the prices come back down to earth as I'd love to buy one in the near future
Some of that is the Track Pack as mentioned but even on top of that dealers are asking $20K plus over the MSRP. Just like any car drive it off the lot and you're looking at an easy 30% depreciation however throw in the $20k plus over MSRP and it just adds insult to injury. I had to talk a buddy out of buying a 2020 C8 ZR1 that the dealer had at $25K over MSRP since he couldn't get a pre-order. My rationale to him was that unless he was willing to literally walk out his front door and throw $25K into the street and walk back into the house he shouldn't buy the car.
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Hmm...$176k?! I think I'll take the GT500 plus a 718 GT4 for around the same money.
New GT500s have stickers ranging from around 90k up to 130k, and I've seen one for over 150. If I search for new M8s, I'm currently seeing one for 140 something. My point is that, the price difference between the GT500 and M8 isn't as much as you think. Sticker price depends on how you option them, but this is always the case. Also consider that BMW often offers decent loyalty credits. I'm not sure if Ford would do that for a GT500. If anything dealers would likely be marking them up during normal times.

The GT500 makes a compelling case regardless though.
Agreed that real world right now, these might cost about the same.

I picked up the M8 pictured here beginning of Nov with a cap cost just over $100k USD, which is about what these Mustangs are marked up in SoCal. I can't confirm what they actually sell for.

The M8 is a porker. I'm sure the stang is a lot more fun to drive.
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Its just weird to me that every video I see on this front page are basically straight line drag races....

What happened to BMW building cars that handle well through a track?

Do you guys really care about this straight line speed? Is it 1977 and we're racing camaros and mustangs at lights?

Congrats BMW, you make fast boats now. This car is like 5,000lbs. The 5 series is the size of the old 7, 3 series size of the 5. Boring.

I just... don't care about straight line speed. Theres so much more to driving

Oh and I'll take the Mustang for significantly less $$. $130K and up is for Porsches
Yeah, 99.9% of all BMW owners will never track their car....so straight line speed is what matters, either from the stop or passing on the highway
Imagine this - living somewhere with windy roads (and) hills
Imagine snow and rain and slush and traction and an interior that's a joy to be in and 3,200 mile drives that are fun and relaxing and ambient lighting that adds to it all and gesture controls and self driving and a carbon core for weight distribution and rigidity and electric windows shades and 3D surround-view for parking and an infotainment system not based on something Microsoft puked out in the 1990s (doh!) abd massage seats... wait, the M8 doesn't have those.

This is like comparing a bicycle to a donkey—pointless. Guess which one the BMW is.
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Hmm...$176k?! I think I'll take the GT500 plus a 718 GT4 for around the same money.
New GT500s have stickers ranging from around 90k up to 130k, and I've seen one for over 150. If I search for new M8s, I'm currently seeing one for 140 something. My point is that, the price difference between the GT500 and M8 isn't as much as you think. Sticker price depends on how you option them, but this is always the case. Also consider that BMW often offers decent loyalty credits. I'm not sure if Ford would do that for a GT500. If anything dealers would likely be marking them up during normal times.

The GT500 makes a compelling case regardless though.
Agreed that real world right now, these might cost about the same.

I picked up the M8 pictured here beginning of Nov with a cap cost just over $100k USD, which is about what these Mustangs are marked up in SoCal. I can't confirm what they actually sell for.

The M8 is a porker. I'm sure the stang is a lot more fun to drive.
I'm glad you're sure of that. Perhaps you should've applied that level of certainty to your purchase. Well done.

PS: I'd love to see one of your own pics (vs. this stock pic)... it's such a lovely color—we'd all be interested. Perhaps one with your hand in a thumbs-down posture in front of the gauge cluster to signify your dissatisfaction. Like this but the opposite.

My obvious sarcasm aside: I have the GC and find it sheds its weight in the twisties. I've yet to track this one as I did my my M5s, AMGs, RS7s, etc. but my prediction is it'll hold up (for a fatty that is as my old WA plate will attest).
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I'd bet the resale on the GT 500's are better than our beloved 8 series...
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Hmm...$176k?! I think I'll take the GT500 plus a 718 GT4 for around the same money.
New GT500s have stickers ranging from around 90k up to 130k, and I've seen one for over 150. If I search for new M8s, I'm currently seeing one for 140 something. My point is that, the price difference between the GT500 and M8 isn't as much as you think. Sticker price depends on how you option them, but this is always the case. Also consider that BMW often offers decent loyalty credits. I'm not sure if Ford would do that for a GT500. If anything dealers would likely be marking them up during normal times.

The GT500 makes a compelling case regardless though.
Agreed that real world right now, these might cost about the same.

I picked up the M8 pictured here beginning of Nov with a cap cost just over $100k USD, which is about what these Mustangs are marked up in SoCal. I can't confirm what they actually sell for.

The M8 is a porker. I'm sure the stang is a lot more fun to drive.
I'm glad you're sure of that. Perhaps you should've applied that level of certainty to your purchase. Well done.

PS: I'd love to see one of your own pics (vs. this stock footage)... it's such a lovely color—we'd all be interested. Please post some. Perhaps one with your hand in a thumbs-down posture in front of the gauge cluster to signify your dissatisfaction. Like this but the opposite.
U can go to my other posts in this forum to see my M8 in my driveway and garage parked next to my cars that are also more fun to drive.
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Hmm...$176k?! I think I'll take the GT500 plus a 718 GT4 for around the same money.
New GT500s have stickers ranging from around 90k up to 130k, and I've seen one for over 150. If I search for new M8s, I'm currently seeing one for 140 something. My point is that, the price difference between the GT500 and M8 isn't as much as you think. Sticker price depends on how you option them, but this is always the case. Also consider that BMW often offers decent loyalty credits. I'm not sure if Ford would do that for a GT500. If anything dealers would likely be marking them up during normal times.

The GT500 makes a compelling case regardless though.
Agreed that real world right now, these might cost about the same.

I picked up the M8 pictured here beginning of Nov with a cap cost just over $100k USD, which is about what these Mustangs are marked up in SoCal. I can't confirm what they actually sell for.

The M8 is a porker. I'm sure the stang is a lot more fun to drive.
I'm glad you're sure of that. Perhaps you should've applied that level of certainty to your purchase. Well done.

PS: I'd love to see one of your own pics (vs. this stock footage)... it's such a lovely color—we'd all be interested. Please post some. Perhaps one with your hand in a thumbs-down posture in front of the gauge cluster to signify your dissatisfaction. Like this but the opposite.
U can go to my other posts in this forum to see my M8 in my driveway and garage parked next to my cars that are also more fun to drive.
All good here, chief—burden !=mine.
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Hmm...$176k?! I think I'll take the GT500 plus a 718 GT4 for around the same money.
New GT500s have stickers ranging from around 90k up to 130k, and I've seen one for over 150. If I search for new M8s, I'm currently seeing one for 140 something. My point is that, the price difference between the GT500 and M8 isn't as much as you think. Sticker price depends on how you option them, but this is always the case. Also consider that BMW often offers decent loyalty credits. I'm not sure if Ford would do that for a GT500. If anything dealers would likely be marking them up during normal times.

The GT500 makes a compelling case regardless though.
Agreed that real world right now, these might cost about the same.

I picked up the M8 pictured here beginning of Nov with a cap cost just over $100k USD, which is about what these Mustangs are marked up in SoCal. I can't confirm what they actually sell for.

The M8 is a porker. I'm sure the stang is a lot more fun to drive.
I'm glad you're sure of that. Perhaps you should've applied that level of certainty to your purchase. Well done.

PS: I'd love to see one of your own pics (vs. this stock footage)... it's such a lovely color—we'd all be interested. Please post some. Perhaps one with your hand in a thumbs-down posture in front of the gauge cluster to signify your dissatisfaction. Like this but the opposite.
U can go to my other posts in this forum to see my M8 in my driveway and garage parked next to my cars that are also more fun to drive.
All good here, chief—burden !=mine.
Hanging out with my cheeky brit friends i'm usually good at spotting sarcasm but seemed like you didn't like my assessment of the M8. It is heavy but it seems like you are coming from larger cars and I'm coming from smaller cars so we are going to have much different perspectives.
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Hmm...$176k?! I think I'll take the GT500 plus a 718 GT4 for around the same money.
New GT500s have stickers ranging from around 90k up to 130k, and I've seen one for over 150. If I search for new M8s, I'm currently seeing one for 140 something. My point is that, the price difference between the GT500 and M8 isn't as much as you think. Sticker price depends on how you option them, but this is always the case. Also consider that BMW often offers decent loyalty credits. I'm not sure if Ford would do that for a GT500. If anything dealers would likely be marking them up during normal times.

The GT500 makes a compelling case regardless though.
Agreed that real world right now, these might cost about the same.

I picked up the M8 pictured here beginning of Nov with a cap cost just over $100k USD, which is about what these Mustangs are marked up in SoCal. I can't confirm what they actually sell for.

The M8 is a porker. I'm sure the stang is a lot more fun to drive.
I'm glad you're sure of that. Perhaps you should've applied that level of certainty to your purchase. Well done.

PS: I'd love to see one of your own pics (vs. this stock footage)... it's such a lovely color—we'd all be interested. Please post some. Perhaps one with your hand in a thumbs-down posture in front of the gauge cluster to signify your dissatisfaction. Like this but the opposite.
U can go to my other posts in this forum to see my M8 in my driveway and garage parked next to my cars that are also more fun to drive.
All good here, chief—burden !=mine.
Hanging out with my cheeky brit friends i'm usually good at spotting sarcasm but seemed like you didn't like my assessment of the M8. It is heavy but it seems like you are coming from larger cars and I'm coming from smaller cars so we are going to have much different perspectives.
Actually, I'd say this was all me—I leapt to a conclusion that I just learned was quite wrong. That leap being that you were yet another full-of-shit troll making unfounded claims and drawing inflammatory comparisons. As it turns out, I am 100% the ass in this assumption and happy(ish ) to own it... apologies.

I have zero issues with informed opinions whether they echo mine or otherwise. I do, however, reserve the right to my sarcastic ridicule as I see fit.

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Hmm...$176k?! I think I'll take the GT500 plus a 718 GT4 for around the same money.
New GT500s have stickers ranging from around 90k up to 130k, and I've seen one for over 150. If I search for new M8s, I'm currently seeing one for 140 something. My point is that, the price difference between the GT500 and M8 isn't as much as you think. Sticker price depends on how you option them, but this is always the case. Also consider that BMW often offers decent loyalty credits. I'm not sure if Ford would do that for a GT500. If anything dealers would likely be marking them up during normal times.

The GT500 makes a compelling case regardless though.
Agreed that real world right now, these might cost about the same.

I picked up the M8 pictured here beginning of Nov with a cap cost just over $100k USD, which is about what these Mustangs are marked up in SoCal. I can't confirm what they actually sell for.

The M8 is a porker. I'm sure the stang is a lot more fun to drive.
I'm glad you're sure of that. Perhaps you should've applied that level of certainty to your purchase. Well done.

PS: I'd love to see one of your own pics (vs. this stock footage)... it's such a lovely color—we'd all be interested. Please post some. Perhaps one with your hand in a thumbs-down posture in front of the gauge cluster to signify your dissatisfaction. Like this but the opposite.
U can go to my other posts in this forum to see my M8 in my driveway and garage parked next to my cars that are also more fun to drive.
All good here, chief—burden !=mine.
Hanging out with my cheeky brit friends i'm usually good at spotting sarcasm but seemed like you didn't like my assessment of the M8. It is heavy but it seems like you are coming from larger cars and I'm coming from smaller cars so we are going to have much different perspectives.
Actually, I'd say this was all me—I leapt to a conclusion that I just learned was quite wrong. That leap being that you were yet another full-of-shit troll making unfounded claims and drawing inflammatory comparisons. As it turns out, I am 100% the ass in this assumption and happy(ish ) to own it... apologies.

I have zero issues with informed opinions whether they echo mine or otherwise. I do, however, reserve the right to my sarcastic ridicule as I see fit.

Haha no worries my friend. I will be asking for help on the forums and perhaps sharing some thoughts on tuning soon.

Going to have the opportunity to work with an actual BMW software calibrator. Everything has been done locally in Germany so far and I'm going to be the first remote test subject. Figuring out a logging/tuning platform first. Very excited as the car feels pretty slow to me and can use a wake up.
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Hmm...$176k?! I think I'll take the GT500 plus a 718 GT4 for around the same money.
New GT500s have stickers ranging from around 90k up to 130k, and I've seen one for over 150. If I search for new M8s, I'm currently seeing one for 140 something. My point is that, the price difference between the GT500 and M8 isn't as much as you think. Sticker price depends on how you option them, but this is always the case. Also consider that BMW often offers decent loyalty credits. I'm not sure if Ford would do that for a GT500. If anything dealers would likely be marking them up during normal times.

The GT500 makes a compelling case regardless though.
Agreed that real world right now, these might cost about the same.

I picked up the M8 pictured here beginning of Nov with a cap cost just over $100k USD, which is about what these Mustangs are marked up in SoCal. I can't confirm what they actually sell for.

The M8 is a porker. I'm sure the stang is a lot more fun to drive.
I'm glad you're sure of that. Perhaps you should've applied that level of certainty to your purchase. Well done.

PS: I'd love to see one of your own pics (vs. this stock footage)... it's such a lovely color—we'd all be interested. Please post some. Perhaps one with your hand in a thumbs-down posture in front of the gauge cluster to signify your dissatisfaction. Like this but the opposite.
U can go to my other posts in this forum to see my M8 in my driveway and garage parked next to my cars that are also more fun to drive.
All good here, chief—burden !=mine.
Hanging out with my cheeky brit friends i'm usually good at spotting sarcasm but seemed like you didn't like my assessment of the M8. It is heavy but it seems like you are coming from larger cars and I'm coming from smaller cars so we are going to have much different perspectives.
Actually, I'd say this was all me—I leapt to a conclusion that I just learned was quite wrong. That leap being that you were yet another full-of-shit troll making unfounded claims and drawing inflammatory comparisons. As it turns out, I am 100% the ass in this assumption and happy(ish ) to own it... apologies.

I have zero issues with informed opinions whether they echo mine or otherwise. I do, however, reserve the right to my sarcastic ridicule as I see fit.

Haha no worries my friend. I will be asking for help on the forums and perhaps sharing some thoughts on tuning soon.

Going to have the opportunity to work with an actual BMW software calibrator. Everything has been done locally in Germany so far and I'm going to be the first remote test subject. Figuring out a logging/tuning platform first. Very excited as the car feels pretty slow to me and can use a wake up.
I'm running the JB4—a work horse that I have a lot of experience with. It's a big bump in power (60 mph in the 2.5s and the 1/4 in high 10.3s to low 10.4s). 60-130 times on this car are elusive, though—see below.

Where I'm feeling the gap is TCU tuning (hence the comment above) but, so far at least, that appears to be eluding the best of the tuners worldwide. I'd dearly love to be wrong if your guys are ahead of the game?
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😂😂😂 for as long as I been alive always the same ending.. always needing perfect tires, surface,blah blah blah..mustangs are only tough beating up on the 4 and 6 cylinders cars on the streets. That thing got demolished...
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