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Great write up and glad you are enjoying the M8.
I have a 992 C2S had a 19 M5 and have driven multiple M8 comp and non comp 992 vs M8 there is no comparison imo. Significantly different cars that feel nothing alike and after different markets. 992 vs M8 they're not competitors. Not dismissing your comparison bc it was a comparison for you. I just can't imagine the vast majority of people cross shop a 4300lb M8 GT car vs a sports car that also is comfortable BTW my 992 C2S msrp 135k bought 120k significantly less than M8 and for what I want a much much better vehicle M8 sounds like the perfect vehicle for you and don't get me wrong I love the M8 just wasn't what I was looking for. Enjoy
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But having had so many Porsche's I just can not deny the chassis dynamics, steering, and just brilliant driveability. Speed is not every thing and while the Turbo S's (all modded) were silly fast, I still find that the likes of my 450 OEM GTS hp is still so amazing. The way the 911 puts the power to the ground is incredible that I dont need all the hp. I have spent some time in the 992 (C4S) and was allowed to really open it up. What a fantastic car from steering to dampening and the new tech inside. I dont need 4 seats anymore so thus my choices are where they are. It looks like you got a nice deal on your 992- Im at 8% off right now on a 150k build but the M8 CE deal is beyond crazy with the discounts off MSRP, Loyalty, and Flagship monies. I love choices. Tell me did the M8 feel that much faster than the 992? Id love to hear your impressions. And congrats to the OP for his choice!!! Strong write up.
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Owned many more M cars than Porsche's I opted for the C2S over C4S bc 7300 and only diff is awd in 992. In past C4S had the wider body and diff components I drove both the C4S and C2S and with the engine in the rear never lost traction in C2S and it's slightly lighter. Went for C2S I live in a warm climate I am/was first in line for 992 Turbo (non S) but after driving the 992 S I honestly couldn't see the point. My 997 TT was tuned and this 992 feels faster. My 996TT were also tuned and way faster than those. Racechip has a piggy for Carrera S/4S if needed, I haven't felt need for more speed yet It's surprisingly fast imo. Gets up and goes and feels glued to the road. Steering is superb and M8 steering and road feel not like 911 and actually more like a large sedan - Panamera or E63 felt like that to me The M8 Comp is a nice car but back seat still worthless and driving dynamics felt a Big ZERO like the Porsche Porsche to me is significantly more fun to drive, tossable, glued down, very comfortable and I love the tech The M8 Comp feels faster 60-120/130 but not off the line I wasn't cross shopping them but having owned so many M cars was allowed extended test drive. I smile every time I drive the Porsche it's just that fun. M8 felt like a massive pig fast straight not glued down, ok steering , if that's your thing great. I was looking for a sports car that's comfortable not a GT that can go fast No matter how good the deal is on M8 that will no doubt depreciate much greater than the 911 as well My deal was an anomaly and yours at 8% off is great but likely due to covid. Before covid I wasn't seeing big discounts on 911's
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I do appreciate the evolution of the Porsche chassis and how the 991.1 and then 991.2 improved over the 997 (had all 3) and now with my reasonable test drive, I can see the 992 has improved over that. 8% was always my deal since Im a regular customer having bought all my cars there but one and have PCNA ties, I have actually not pushed for more during COVID believe it or not because frankly I am not sure I need to get a car right now with other priorities like my familiy and company employees. Its about optics but never the less, Im cross shopping internally and we shall see. Enjoy the 992.
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The comparison came down to me between the two because while I like the Panamera and have owned a Cayanne GTS, if I was dropping that kind of money on a Porsche it would have to be a 911. Hands down the 911 is the better sports car and track car. Where I live the only premium car dealers are Porsche, Audi, Jaguar, Mercedes, and BMW. Otherwise I may have looked at other cars. The M8 was a better fit for me when taking in all factors. |
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The M8 is a beast of a car the acceleration is like being shot out of a canon. The grip is amazing. It really drives like a smaller lighter car. The turn in is surprisingly fast and the weight seems to disappear. For a car as big and heavy as it is driving backroad switchbacks is surprisingly rewarding and fun. It to me is the perfect GT car. Especially for someone who wants cutting edge technology in their car. |
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On the depreciation the residual % was the close enough to call them the same in both cars. The lease offer was much better (at least for me) from BMW compared to Porsche. It isn't a massive pig to drive. It just isn't a 911. The power and grip this thigh has on a corner exit is insane. I posted a video in my article showing it racing a 992. (In a straight line) Not dogging the 992 but the M8 will do the Nuremberg in less than 7:30. The 992 s does it in 7:25. On a track that large that is pretty close to a tie. My M4 has enough space in it to allow me to bring 4 track wheels and tires, tools and luggage. We will see if I can bring my track wheels and tires in my M8. |
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to me comparing M8/850's to 911's is like apples and pineapples
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And I love that you pointed out that on a BIG track the "lowly" 444 hp 992 runs sub 7:30. I am still waiting for an official M8 time though. Imagine what the 992 does on a smaller one! Its great to have a wide diversity of choices and wants. Enjoy that badass M8!!
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Nurburgring which is a long track M5 comp 1:36 - M8 even slower 992 s 1:25 M8 comp time is worse than the M5 Comp time Other tracks are long tracks you show are also long tracks. The M8 Comp just doesn't transition like a Porsche. The 992 is far more nimble ive driven both and you can't convince me the M8 comp comes close to the buttoned down feel, steering and handling of a 992 Big tracks without many turns I could see how the M8 would keep up as there aren't tight turns and long straightaways. More turns and no way will the M8 keep up.Real world they feel nothing alike. MT ran it at laguna seca and ran fastest lap time except against the McClaren Senna in the best drivers car shootout. Carrera S won. Ate up M850i(not same as M8 but destroyed it) and beat amg gt s sedan which consistently turns better lap times than both the M5/M8 on all tracks Again not fanning the flame I truly love the M8 just doesn't fit with my purposes And let's remember we are talking about on paper anyway 173hp Advantage for the M8 . And off the line they feel the same. 1/4 mile 992s 11.2 and M8 what 11-11.1 also? Off the line M8 and 992 feel same. Highway M8 feels faster for sure, but the Porsche is no slouch and actually prefer it bc feels visceral and more fun I had a 2019 M5 and hated it. Wasn't fun. I know I'm in the minority but liked the M4 comp I had better than the M5. I just like sportier cars better I stand by my original assertion these cars are best for different tastes and whatever is more important to someone is what they choose. But the M8 is NOT a 992 is not a M8. Deprecation wise the M8 comp is a lot more expensive but with larger discounts. In a year from today 2020 m8 comp no matter the big discounts will be worth less and you will lose more dollar and %wise than a 2020 C2S or C4S My state is bad for leasing so depreciation is even more important to me as I flip my cars and financially not the best move leasing in my state, so I buy here, leased when I lived in CA which is better for leasing in that state (no tax credit) The M8 Comp is big, it's fast, and it's a badass car, just not fun, IMO, felt same with M5 I owned just no soul. Not fun Porsche is notorious for giving low residuals even tho the 992 has a higher residual then M8. There's a reason porsche is the most profitable car company ... lease returns car worth more than residual, charge for every single option LOL Long response so I will end like this. I have been and am a huge fan of M cars, had every modern gen of M5 and M6 multiple times for each gen dating to my first E39 M5 had 2 Z8's and had one M4 comp. Tech, I actually prefer the tech in the 992. M8 160k car has tech thats identical to every other Bmw. Enjoy your beast in good health.
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I am surprised you went for the M8 compared with the 911 porsche.
Looking from your story I would bet you will take the 911 straight away. But its great to see that the OP's M8 will hit the track and most importantly it seems that the OP really love his car, and that is all that matters! CONGRATS!
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Having the F90 I know this up top as well. Heck yesterday the roads were wide open and I found myself way over triple digits over and over via a 18 mile stretch. (Mexican Toll Roads-no Corona)
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