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      12-07-2020, 04:32 PM   #243
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Technically, yes its me again LOL, FS monies are off the vin of the car but in general there are more from the initial builds.

Case in point, I was at Crevier BMW last week and my good friend runs it so he should me the internal dealer system, we plugged in an m8 built in 11/19 and it has 10k in FS monies while another M8 in Dravit had 12k with the same build month. Its what the factory assigned to the VIN.

Most dealers "punched" their cars already gaining the FS monies and then will take loser deals on the cars when or if they actually sell them down the road. At BMW the dealer can punch the car without starting the warranty clock. Other brands dont have that luxury.
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Hopefully this isn't the same non-comp with a 10/19 build date I'm eyeing up in PA. I got an offer of 18.5% + incentives after I was looking at M5s just because I pointed at it and laughed that I could likely get the M8 cheaper while I was on my way to the car. The CA talked to the GM and text me within 30 min of leaving, so that's just their initial offer with no actual suggestion from me to start.
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Hopefully this isn't the same non-comp with a 10/19 build date I'm eyeing up in PA. I got an offer of 18.5% + incentives after I was looking at M5s just because I pointed at it and laughed that I could likely get the M8 cheaper while I was on my way to the car. The CA talked to the GM and text me within 30 min of leaving, so that's just their initial offer with no actual suggestion from me to start.
Too funny! I think it is, small world. I was offered the same without even asking, but I'm likely to pass, as I want a unicorn of a deal to make the move from my M4CS. I was just looking as I'm procrastinating swapping out my summers to winters lol
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Sorry no luck here--- he has access to his only (he might be lying but I doubt it)

But guessing on that build date and similar cars FS monies (actually same msrp)- that car has 12k in flag.
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Hey, so i have owned BMW for the past 15 years and have always bought from my local dealer and felt i was getting a good price....a buddy of mine recently used a broker (was his old CA but now started his own broker business) so i contacted him to he's offering me 12% off for an m850 GC for me and 10.4% off for my sons m340 but ive never used brokers so im a little iffy about it.
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Hey, so i have owned BMW for the past 15 years and have always bought from my local dealer and felt i was getting a good price....a buddy of mine recently used a broker (was his old CA but now started his own broker business) so i contacted him to he's offering me 12% off for an m850 GC for me and 10.4% off for my sons m340 but ive never used brokers so im a little iffy about it.
1. is it a good deal?
2. should i trust a broker?
Yes, those deals seem to be right in the range of what you should expect a "good" deal would be on those cars assuming they're in stock. If those are for ordered cars, I would lean towards a pretty damn good/great deal. Great/"unicorn" deals on an in stock car might be another percent or two. Also, if you're leasing, the brokers are probably making sure you're getting base MF as well, so factor that in.

You're basically paying for them to do the legwork and negotiations for you in advance. As far as trust is concerned, I suppose the worst case is that they tell you you could get a certain deal and when you get in touch with the dealer, you find it to be different. Brokers make their business on word of mouth, so I wouldn't expect this to happen. If a deal falls through, it's likely on the customer's end. To get a similar deal on your own, you'd likely be trying to find a similar car to what you want within a couple hundred mile radius that has been sitting around, then go back and forth with the CA a couple of times. I don't mind doing all that on my own, but it does consume quite a few hours of my time. I value my time much higher than what any of the brokers charge, so I'd say it's worth it. Personally, I view the hunt for the deal as part of my decision process, and I often look for in stock cars to get the best deal, so it helps limit my decisions at the end.

FWIW, every time I get a car, I end up going to the last CA I dealt with to try to give them a chance work for me again. 5 cars from 5 different dealerships in 2 different states and I am likely finally going back to a previous dealer. Each time, I try to at least tell the previous CA about the deal I'm about to make, and they tell me how they wouldn't turn it away either. I would like to maintain loyalty, but they get it.

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      12-09-2020, 07:37 PM   #249
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Lol, yup it's me, but you definitely have me beat! There's a local M8 non-comp coupe that has been sitting forever. Production 10/19. Didn't I read at some point, more flagship monies were offered on cars with a certain production date?

Really would like to know the actually amounts, before I even bother. Edmunds replied that there are no programs in PA (what?) and when I started a thread over at Leasehackrs, a bunch of the brokers were bitchin that I was asking for too much information rather than finding the answers on my own, and the mods closed the thread (wtf?). What's happened over there?!?

BTW, love the pic!
Technically, yes its me again LOL, FS monies are off the vin of the car but in general there are more from the initial builds.

Case in point, I was at Crevier BMW last week and my good friend runs it so he should me the internal dealer system, we plugged in an m8 built in 11/19 and it has 10k in FS monies while another M8 in Dravit had 12k with the same build month. Its what the factory assigned to the VIN.

Most dealers "punched" their cars already gaining the FS monies and then will take loser deals on the cars when or if they actually sell them down the road. At BMW the dealer can punch the car without starting the warranty clock. Other brands dont have that luxury.
Didnt BMW get in trouble for punching cars. That shows as sold units for yearly numbers when they actually aren't sold.
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this was a very common method in CA for the i3rex - basically dealers "bought" the car, took the 7.5k government credit and resold at a "loss" (more tax credit) but made out a lot on the backend.
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Didnt BMW get in trouble for punching cars. That shows as sold units for yearly numbers when they actually aren't sold.
Not sure but this process that I was told didnt start the clock on the warranty. I did hear something about some stores packing the books but thats prevalent in all brands (Porsche is huge with their slow sellers).
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Didnt BMW get in trouble for punching cars. That shows as sold units for yearly numbers when they actually aren't sold.
Not sure but this process that I was told didnt start the clock on the warranty. I did hear something about some stores packing the books but thats prevalent in all brands (Porsche is huge with their slow sellers).
It's doesn't start the warranty clock but marks the unit sold and goes into yearly sold numbers. The GM's I know used to do it late December so it looked like they made numbers. But again thought they got in trouble for it and stopped. Not that I care what they do either way was simply curious Bc they had been investigated for it

Porsche doesn't do it anymore and all the manufacturers I thought stopped Bc they artificially pump up sold units

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It's doesn't start the warranty clock but marks the unit sold and goes into yearly sold numbers. The GM's I know used to do it late December so it looked like they made numbers. But again thought they got in trouble for it and stopped. Not that I care what they do either way was simply curious Bc they had been investigated for it

Porsche doesn't do it anymore and all the manufacturers I thought stopped Bc they artificially pump up sold units

Edit: https://markets.businessinsider.com/...028783941?op=1
Porsche dealers do it--- I know GM's personally. Its the business- anyone (not directed at you) who thinks punching is done is naive. BMW may count the sale but there is no RS on the deal which would start the clock. As an end user I dont care if they punched the car as long as the warranty has not started. AND, they still will allocate some, if not all, of the trunk money that was paid due to the early punch.

More than often when the factory to dealer money is sizeable, thats where you will see these tactics. Like I said I dont know what was recorded on the actual car but they cashed in the 10k but the car is still for sale with a full warranty. Porsche punches and the clock is on.
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It's doesn't start the warranty clock but marks the unit sold and goes into yearly sold numbers. The GM's I know used to do it late December so it looked like they made numbers. But again thought they got in trouble for it and stopped. Not that I care what they do either way was simply curious Bc they had been investigated for it

Porsche doesn't do it anymore and all the manufacturers I thought stopped Bc they artificially pump up sold units

Edit: https://markets.businessinsider.com/...028783941?op=1
Porsche dealers do it--- I know GM's personally. Its the business- anyone (not directed at you) who thinks punching is done is naive. BMW may count the sale but there is no RS on the deal which would start the clock. As an end user I dont care if they punched the car as long as the warranty has not started. AND, they still will allocate some, if not all, of the trunk money that was paid due to the early punch.

More than often when the factory to dealer money is sizeable, thats where you will see these tactics. Like I said I dont know what was recorded on the actual car but they cashed in the 10k but the car is still for sale with a full warranty. Porsche punches and the clock is on.
Agreed. And I reread my post by no means do I want to infer BMW does it

I knew they all did especially when they were getting competitive with most units sold for a year between BMW, Audi and MB...

I simply thought that practice was no longer in play. My best friend owns a BMW dealership and so I knew it used to happen but didn't know it still did

Of course you are correct to the end user makes zero difference
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Agreed. And I reread my post by no means do I want to infer BMW does it

I knew they all did especially when they were getting competitive with most units sold for a year between BMW, Audi and MB...

I simply thought that practice was no longer in play. My best friend owns a BMW dealership and so I knew it used to happen but didn't know it still did

Of course you are correct to the end user makes zero difference
Porsche is shifty (dealerwise)--- they cant sell on their official website discounted prices (new) so when covid hit in March and several stores had Turbo's and Turbo S's- they punched them so they became used (Porsche's clock starts) and then posted discounted prices as a used car with 29, 35, 79, miles etc. in order to move them. But then as factories shut down and supply dried up they realized the error in their ways.

Southbay Porsche had 2 Turbo S cars with MSRP's of right at 200k (2019's) and had them advertised for 160k. Boy I missed that boat- a tune and exhaust and those .2's rip.

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Agreed. And I reread my post by no means do I want to infer BMW does it

I knew they all did especially when they were getting competitive with most units sold for a year between BMW, Audi and MB...

I simply thought that practice was no longer in play. My best friend owns a BMW dealership and so I knew it used to happen but didn't know it still did

Of course you are correct to the end user makes zero difference
Porsche is shifty (dealerwise)--- they cant sell on their official website discounted prices (new) so when covid hit in March and several stores had Turbo's and Turbo S's- they punched them so they became used (Porsche's clock starts) and then posted discounted prices as a used car with 29, 35, 79, miles etc. in order to move them. But then as factories shut down and supply dried up they realized the error in their ways.

Southbay Porsche had 2 Turbo S cars with MSRP's of right at 200k (2019's) and had them advertised for 160k. Boy I missed that boat- a tune and exhaust and those .2's rip.

LOL.
Meanwhile now you can't get a 992 TTS until well into next year. Zero open orders
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And Vic55 where are the pics of the new ride already! Eagerly awaiting.......
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Ehhh its just an M8 GC CE in Black, stole it for 103k (had 1700 on the clock) I was stuck with the paint color though but its fine. I just got it tinted, lowered, and some other minor stuff done. Its filthy so Ill get it washed up and start a boring thread
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And Vic55 where are the pics of the new ride already! Eagerly awaiting.......
Ehhh its just an M8 GC CE in Black, stole it for 103k (had 1700 on the clock) I was stuck with the paint color though but its fine. I just got it tinted, lowered, and some other minor stuff done. Its filthy so Ill get it washed up and start a boring thread
That you robbed!!! What a great deal. That would be very hard to pass on

I like black in that car personally
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I am in the process of ordering an M850i convertible. Located in Connecticut. Dealer gave me 5% off plus 3k BMW rebate. Am I in the right ball park or can I do better?
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I am in the process of ordering an M850i convertible. Located in Connecticut. Dealer gave me 5% off plus 3k BMW rebate. Am I in the right ball park or can I do better?
Current broker deals are in the 10-13% range + 3k rebate.
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