[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by snareman

Depending on how near you are talking about, there are two BMW and one Porsche in Dayton. If I go to Columbus and Cincinnati, about an hour in either direction, there are more but that's too far to go for service. Both of my current cars came from the dealership in Maryland, but I still just take them to my local dealer for service that I had been using for the past 18 years that I've now disowned because they started sucking and almost every department including my client advisor that I considered a friend.

You'll LOVE the 911 if you liked the 718. Service options are something I consider. Near enough for you.

[hinckley]

I thought I'd chime in again on Porsche pricing. It really took me a while to get my head around it and so I thought I'd share . . .

We're all accustomed to what we get from BMW or Merc for $x. Then there's the Ferrari world at a whole different price point. I think that the 911 plays in the Ferrari world (F-car owners may take issue with that, I know), but its base prices are closer to the BMW world. What that means for 911 owners is that they can afford Ferrari handling or performance. But to afford it, they get a stripped-down car. Hang out on the 911 boards and you'll hear from a lot of them who buy absolutely base cars with almost no options. They're only interested in the pure driving experience and see leather upholstery and driving aids as distractions. No other car in the Ferrari world gives you that affordability option.

I always tell new Porsche buyers not to think about the base price. Look at the total all-in price for a 911 spec'd with what you want and compare it to the total price of anything else you're cross-shopping. But if you get hung up thinking that a car with a base price of $115,000 should have a blind spot monitor (which is an extra-cost option), you'll never get through the ordering process. But for those who only want Ferrari handling in a reliable, German-engineered, $115,000 car -- yahoo!!

Quick edit after a check of the 911 configurator - on a $232k Turbo S, god's gift to performance drivers, blind spot monitoring is a $1,060 option! Lol.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by hinckley

I thought I'd chime in again on Porsche pricing. It really took me a while to get my head around it and so I thought I'd share . . .

We're all accustomed to what we get from BMW or Merc for $x. Then there's the Ferrari world at a whole different price point. I think that the 911 plays in the Ferrari world (F-car owners may take issue with that, I know), but its base prices are closer to the BMW world. What that means for 911 owners is that they can afford Ferrari handling or performance. But to afford it, they get a stripped-down car. Hang out on the 911 boards and you'll hear from a lot of them who buy absolutely base cars with almost no options. They're only interested in the pure driving experience and see leather upholstery and driving aids as distractions. No other car in the Ferrari world gives you that affordability option.

I always tell new Porsche buyers not to think about the base price. Look at the total all-in price for a 911 spec'd with what you want and compare it to the total price of anything else you're cross-shopping. But if you get hung up thinking that a car with a base price of $115,000 should have a blind spot monitor (which is an extra-cost option), you'll never get through the ordering process. But for those who only want Ferrari handling in a reliable, German-engineered, $115,000 car -- yahoo!!

Quick edit after a check of the 911 configurator - on a $232k Turbo S, god's gift to performance drivers, blind spot monitoring is a $1,060 option! Lol.

Thanks. Yea, I quickly picked up on that when I started looking at Porsches. I'm in the Carrera S price bracket. Starts at 131k and by the time I get done adding the stuff I'd reasonably go with I'm at $157-162k. For some reason even just painting the tail pipes black costs $700. Nothing is cheap in Porsche-land

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by snareman

Thanks. Yea, I quickly picked up on that when I started looking at Porsches. I'm in the Carrera S price bracket. Starts at 131k and by the time I get done adding the stuff I'd reasonably go with I'm at $157-162k. For some reason even just painting the tail pipes black costs $700. Nothing is cheap in Porsche-land

this is the latest price bump (back in March) but I think they are even more now or will be... Amazing that the C2S is now almost the same base as my GTS from 15 months removed (mine was 136 in May of 22 and then it bumped to 142 and now this)

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Vic55

this is the latest price bump (back in March) but I think they are even more now or will be... Amazing that the C2S is now almost the same base as my GTS from 15 months removed (mine was 136 in May of 22 and then it bumped to 142 and now this)

Jeez. I was too late to the party to know about those insane price jumps. And I thought the $4,000 on the M8 was a lot

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by snareman

Jeez. I was too late to the party to know about those insane price jumps. And I thought the $4,000 on the M8 was a lot

The original M8 comp was over 142k base and didnt sell for many reasons including covid and supply/demand but then BMW dropped it to 130 and then 134... my 130k base is a 2023 and it was based on build date. (all base comp prices pre options of course).

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Vic55

The original M8 comp was over 142k base and didnt sell for many reasons including covid and supply/demand but then BMW dropped it to 130 and then 134... my 130k base is a 2023 and it was based on build date. (all base comp prices pre options of course).

And that. Thankfully I got mine in the trough.

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by snareman

Thanks. Yea, I quickly picked up on that when I started looking at Porsches. I'm in the Carrera S price bracket. Starts at 131k and by the time I get done adding the stuff I'd reasonably go with I'm at $157-162k. For some reason even just painting the tail pipes black costs $700. Nothing is cheap in Porsche-land

If you cross the Rubicon, get an allocation and start speccing your car, have someone that's knowledgeable and that you trust next to you. There are a lot of little secrets and a lot of "shit, I didn't know thats". For a certain type of person, it can be pretty stressful.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by hinckley

If you cross the Rubicon, get an allocation and start speccing your car, have someone that's knowledgeable and that you trust next to you. There are a lot of little secrets and a lot of "shit, I didn't know thats". For a certain type of person, it can be pretty stressful.

Interesting. I'll have to find a Porsche friend or maybe the dealer would be as close as I can come up with if I can find someone trusty there. Not sure how the local dealer is. I don't have any close Porche friends. Dayton is not exactly a car town although the local cars and coffee is huge, almost too big. Pretty much every car you can see in the picture from near to far side of the big rectangle buildings.

[BMWGirlFL]

Hoping this proves true.

And far from apologetically limping over the finish line, tail between its rear wheels, the combustion-engined 911’s sunset years will involve a dramatic increase in production volumes – adding up to 15,000 units a year, starting this autumn.

https://drives.today/news/1277/futur...e-911-994.html

[snareman]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

Hoping this proves true.
https://drives.today/news/1277/futur...e-911-994.html

Interesting. That would certainly help in a lot of ways. I assume that would get rid of ADM's but hopefully it doesn't come with another big base price hike.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

Hoping this proves true.
https://drives.today/news/1277/futur...e-911-994.html

I just sent this to two large Porsche dealers by me--- both allocation managers just laughed me off.

Keywords "up to" ....

They both said they have no idea about how Porsche could logistically do it either.

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by snareman

Interesting. That would certainly help in a lot of ways. I assume that would get rid of ADM's but hopefully it doesn't come with another big base price hike.

In the past, I had always felt that Porsche was holding back on their pricing (yes, I hear what I just wrote), but since the pandemic and especially since they spun off as a separate public company last year, it feels like they've become unshackled and have become very aggressive on pricing. And unfortunately, there's been little impact on demand. At the height of the shutdowns and supply chain shortages, there was about a 24 month wait for a 911. From what I hear, that's only dropped to about 18 months now.

Originally Posted by snareman

Interesting. I'll have to find a Porsche friend or maybe the dealer would be as close as I can come up with if I can find someone trusty there. Not sure how the local dealer is. I don't have any close Porche friends.

You have a lot of Porsche friends here like Vic55, me and others who will be happy to share what we've learned over the years. If you're the noodge that most of us are, it's an hours long process!

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by hinckley

In the past, I had always felt that Porsche was holding back on their pricing (yes, I hear what I just wrote), but since the pandemic and especially since they spun off as a separate public company last year, it feels like they've become unshackled and have become very aggressive on pricing. And unfortunately, there's been little impact on demand. At the height of the shutdowns and supply chain shortages, there was about a 24 month wait for a 911. From what I hear, that's only dropped to about 18 months now.


You have a lot of Porsche friends here like Vic55, me and others who will be happy to share what we've learned over the years. If you're the noodge that most of us are, it's an hours long process!

Yep 100% here to help but I cant predict allocations and pricing in 3 years as thats the 992.2 and who knows what will happen. But Ive bought 7 of my 9 from one store and from the same guy since 2006 and he builds them all.

Irony is that my GTS was build by him for the GM of the store back in Feb of 2022 with a May delivery but the owner realized that he wanted a regular to have it so he took the car and I got it

Now that very same GM is at the other store that I know well and we just kinda laugh because he is happy its in a proper owner's hands.

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by Vic55

this is the latest price bump (back in March) but I think they are even more now or will be... Amazing that the C2S is now almost the same base as my GTS from 15 months removed (mine was 136 in May of 22 and then it bumped to 142 and now this)

And these price hikes, along with long wait times, have resulted in an explosion in the used car market. Today, your car is probably worth at least what you paid for it 15 months ago.

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I just sent this to two large Porsche dealers by me--- both allocation managers just laughed me off.

Keywords "up to" ....

They both said they have no idea about how Porsche could logistically do it either.

I'm in unfamiliar territory. Possible connection to next gen 718 production changes?

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

Hoping this proves true.
https://drives.today/news/1277/futur...e-911-994.html

I'm not sure how much credence I'd give this article. Among other things, Porsche has very publicly stated that the 911 will stay ICE "for as long as possible."

Originally Posted by BMWGirlFL

I'm in unfamiliar territory. Possible connection to next gen 718 production changes?

Some time ago, Porsche announced that the next-gen 718 will be all electric. We'll probably see it by the end of 2024.

[BMWGirlFL]

Originally Posted by hinckley

I'm not sure how much credence I'd give this article. Among other things, Porsche has very publicly stated that the 911 will stay ICE "for as long as possible."

I give little credence to everything other than first hand information but enjoy the reading & speculation. June 2018 Kacher article said new AMG GT Coupe will have a shorter wheelbase & be more agile than the SL. Been waiting to see if true. Expecting debut soon.

Originally Posted by hinckley

Some time ago, Porsche announced that the next-gen 718 will be all electric. We'll probably see it by the end of 2024.

Maybe different factory? Or expansion ...

The sports car manufacturer Porsche wants to invest around half a billion euros at the Zuffenhausen site in order to convert production at the main plant for the all-electric successor generation of the 718 series with Boxster and Cayman. Automobilwoche learned this from company circles. This should make the main plant future-proof.

https://www.automobilwoche.de/bc-onl...arde-stammwerk

[BMWGirlFL]

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2022...eck-28842.html

[snareman]

Is there a typical amount that dealers require you to put down for a deposit? When I was looking for my M8 I basically told all the dealers look put me on the list and if you get to me first with your allocation you get my money. I gave a $500 deposit to one dealer that I got back. I see people talking about $5,000 deposits for Porsches. I guess that maybe stops you from trying to be on too many dealers lists but that sure is a lot of money to tie up for 18 months.

[hinckley]

Originally Posted by snareman

Is there a typical amount that dealers require you to put down for a deposit? When I was looking for my M8 I basically told all the dealers look put me on the list and if you get to me first with your allocation you get my money. I gave a $500 deposit to one dealer that I got back. I see people talking about $5,000 deposits for Porsches. I guess that maybe stops you from trying to be on too many dealers lists but that sure is a lot of money to tie up for 18 months.

I think it's highly dealer-dependent. I don't think $5k would be an extraordinary ask, and I wouldn't be surprised if some dealers asked for more. When I ordered my M8 last year, my local dealer asked for $5k, took my credit card number, and didn't even bother to charge it.

[snareman]

I spent about an hour at the local Porsche dealer today talking to the sales guy that's been there 24 years. He knew my BMW CA and knew that he'd been promoted to sales manager. He put me on his allocation list for a 911. No ADM and no deposit fee. He said there are 2 ahead of me for a Carrera S and maybe it'd be next fall. Or if that was too soon for me he'd just leave me at the top of the list and keep checking in. I can speak from experience with my M8 that getting a car with summer tires in the fall sucks because it almost immediately goes into the garage for the winter.