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05-10-2019, 03:51 AM | #70 |
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They are NEVER going back. Car companies from Ferrari to Kia never "go back" especially from a technical standpoint so I wish people would stop referring to the Ultimate Driving Machine "good ol days". If you want a car that exceeds your driving skills and makes you look like you can half way drive a car fast without wadding it up buy an M car. Or an M comp. Or a CS. BMW still makes bad ass drivers cars. There I said it.
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05-10-2019, 06:27 AM | #71 |
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The 'gentleman's racer' slogan illustrates the double-faced nature of the 8 Series and its two-fold strategy: competing against 2 door GT luxury coupés (S-Class Coupé, DB11, Continental GT, Granturismo...) all the while competing against pure sportscars and their multiple layer lineup (mainly 911 and AMG GT). The latter however have a weight advantage over the 8er and would require it to put up a higher power output. So how about this?
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I know just enough engineering to be dangerous, but it seems to me that EPS is essentially an algorithm, and either the algorithm isn't accurate enough , or there is not enough processing speed to provide faster response , or potentially both. BMWs algorithm certainly lacked feel on center, and also the feedback upon return to center was originally non existent. They have been fine tuning it for a decade and making improvements that are recognized by enthusiasts, reviewers, and casual drivers. in the domain of EPS it's Porsche that is the best , Honda second, (Beginning with S2000) and I'm not even sure there is an honorable mention. Is Porsche EPS BETTER than manual hydraulic feel ? Would you prefer to have sport modes of EPS vs a hydraulic rack. ? I think the answer here for most is no. In the domain of automated transmission, once again , Porsche PDK is best , BMW DKG is a fairly distant second ... ? I'm absolutely unqualified to rank DCT transmissions so I will let others chime in here. Is the DCT transmission better than manual ? In this case , certainly many say DCT is faster, however other drivers prefer more involvement with MT. One thing that is clear however is that there is not universal agreement that the electronic transmission is superior. In the domain of drive by wire throttle, did it ever be come preferred by drivers, or simply accepted ? I suppose magnetic and other electronic shock. Absorber systems is another domain.... is there universal agreement that magnetic systems are Better than hydraulic ? As we move to electrohydraulic braking systems , once again ... as with EPS.. there will be adjustable modes , but will the feel be better than a system with a brake booster ? History already is telling us an answer. |
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Tell you one thing..that M850i X-drive is an object of desire that makes me can't wait to grow up and get older (I'm 60 going on 20 and was doing power slides in MDM mode yesterday in my CS ). But damn...that story and cover shot in Automobile magazine couple months ago had me hook line and sinker... crystal shifter and all. Dear lord what a car!!! Of course the stock market this week had me rethinking that position. :
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I personally think they should bump it at launch to have more than the gt63s but I don’t see if happening. The Urus already has 478kw or 650ps and I expect the new RS6/7 to share that engine as well - another thing for BMW to consider |
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The most famous headlight gaffe of all time was when Jeep went to square headlights for a few years in the late 80s to mid 90's. Hard core Jeep enthusiasts were horrified . Jeep smartly went back to round but to this day people won't buy those years for that reason alone.
Anyway..I was speaking more to the advanced mechanicals rather than the appearance of BMWs. But since you bring it up.. talk about a car company with hi teck gizmos galore. It starts with a P. Another that starts with an A and yet another with an M. Hint: They are all from "the other side of the pond". Lol. |
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I'm just amazed that a company that advertised "the ultimate driving machine" would offer up a subpar EPS. I realize it's never going to be as good as a hydraulic system but they should be able to get it close. It makes me think they don't care about it as much. Much of it is algorithms and geometry so it should be easily "fixable."
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This is why, most of the time, innovations appear across several manufacturers at once. The EPS is designed by Bosch. BMW can probably only tweak certain parameters. The firmware is probably written by Bosch employees to BMW requirements, just like the DME. They are dealing with the limitations of the Bosch EPS system and what they were willing to pay for at the inception of the project. I'm not sure how Porsche does it better, but it's possible they just buy more expensive parts or have paid Bosch to do more work on the software. |
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