M8 AND 8 SERIES
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
BMW M8 Forum and 8 Series Forum BMW M8 and 8-Series General Discussion BMW M8 Competition Reviews are Out

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      10-09-2019, 11:50 AM   #23
paliknight
fuck this field
paliknight's Avatar
United_States
1241
Rep
2,061
Posts

Drives: 18 F80 CS/18 F80 ZCP/19 M2C
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: everywhere

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by LakeSurfer View Post
$200k could go along way on a lot of different cars. I couldn't imagine spending that on a BMW unless I had a completely disposable income. I'm not a flashy, need attention kind of person but at that price point I would be looking in the used super car market for sure. Then again BMW is certainly not marketing for people of my status.

My M3 was $85 out the door and I picked it up used. By far my favorite car I've ever owned but would I consider paying the new price? I doubt it. Every time I put a drink in the flimsy cup hold that dumps my drink at every corner I think, really? This is what you'd get for $85k? I can't imagine the quirks in a $200k that would drive me nuts.

I'm frugal though.

-Mark
Agree completely, but in what country did you buy a used M3 for 85K?
__________________
BMW family... for now.
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2019, 11:51 AM   #24
noushy
///M Fan
noushy's Avatar
United_States
239
Rep
730
Posts

Drives: Alpina B7 G12, X5M F85
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Orchard Lake, Mi

iTrader: (1)

Was hoping for better and it seems BMW did this to themselves. They made the M850i such a good car and value that the M8 is hard to justify for $25-30k more. I always prefer the true M car to these M sport or M performance models but it seems BMW held back rather than let loose like it did with the M5 and probably X5M models. I already have my order in and hoping that BMW and the dealer will make me a terrific deal. It seems the M850i should have been the M8 and then just the M8 comp model. Only time and more reviews will see.

Noushy
__________________
2019 BMW X5 50i Mineral White/Tartufo all options including M Sport
2017 Alpina B7 xDrive Alpina Blue II, Caramel Individual Merino with Alpina Myrtle wood, full Stinger VIP
2019 BMW X3M Comp Dark Graphite/Black/Midrand Beige, full ALP laser/radar
2020 BMW M8 Comp Marina Bay Blue/Black/Midrand Beige/Alcantara ordered (arrival 12/19)
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2019, 11:56 AM   #25
Germanauto
Brigadier General
Germanauto's Avatar
United_States
3354
Rep
3,040
Posts

Drives: BMW, Lexus
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: NW, SoCal

iTrader: (0)

I just hope the steering is more like the M2. The M850 I drove is a nice car with all the right “stuff” for a high performance GT besides its feather-light numb steering; it ruins the experience if you like driving hand (which the M8 should be all about).
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2019, 12:01 PM   #26
///M TOWN
.
///M TOWN's Avatar
1800
Rep
2,099
Posts

Drives: ///M
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: North America

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by joshuastein55 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by ///M TOWN View Post
Thanks for posting.

I'd rather have a Porsche 911.
Hard to disagree with, the M8 just doesn't seem like the best choice in regards to its price and other similar competing vehicles. Even worse is, not only would I get a 911 over an M8, but I'd likely also go for an M5, or AMG GT over one as well.
I absolutely love the AMG GT.

Lovely lovely car.
Appreciate 1
scrammer342.00

      10-09-2019, 12:07 PM   #27
joshuastein55
Major
joshuastein55's Avatar
United_States
1345
Rep
1,166
Posts

Drives: Mercedes-Benz/BMW
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: Baltimore, MD

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Germanauto View Post
I just hope the steering is more like the M2. The M850 I drove is a nice car with all the right "stuff" for a high performance GT besides its feather-light numb steering; it ruins the experience if you like driving hand (which the M8 should be all about).
Looks like steering has been improved? C/D who are steering snobs like myself said good things about it, but then again, C/D will usually rave about something during prototype/first drives, but then find it to be rather meh during their instrument testing/full reviews. It will probably be similar to the M5, but not as good as an AMG GT or 911. Looks like the problem will now be with the brakes!
Attached Images
 
__________________
Current Vehicles: 2019 Mercedes-Benz CLS 53 AMG/2020 BMW M2 Competition 6MT
Retired Vehicles: 1995 325Ci 5MT/2004 330i 6MT/2011 335xi/2017 540i/2018 Boxster S
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2019, 12:08 PM   #28
48Laws
Lieutenant Colonel
674
Rep
1,914
Posts

Drives: '15 F80, '18 991.2 GTS
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: East Coast

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by paliknight View Post
I have seen 570 leases that are in the same range as the M8C's anticipated lease price.
Precisely. Both with arguably the same level of utility , which is, performance, single man-ownership, and seasonal.
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2019, 12:13 PM   #29
chris82
Brigadier General
chris82's Avatar
United_States
532
Rep
3,462
Posts

Drives: 128i
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: NY NY

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2009 BMW 128i  [5.00]
It looks cool, it's fast, but doesn't seem to have any real world purpose, and for that reason, I'm out.
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2019, 12:19 PM   #30
chris82
Brigadier General
chris82's Avatar
United_States
532
Rep
3,462
Posts

Drives: 128i
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: NY NY

iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2009 BMW 128i  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by paliknight View Post
I have seen 570 leases that are in the same range as the M8C's anticipated lease price.
Probably because the depreciation rate will be insane on this thing, a 2016 M6 can be had for $50k (a 2016 M4 goes for $40k for comparison).
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2019, 12:28 PM   #31
Jbravo33
Private
Jbravo33's Avatar
118
Rep
74
Posts

Drives: 2018 GT3
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Boston

iTrader: (0)

I was in the market for 3 cars few months ago. M8 Comp Cabrio, AMG GT63 S and 911 GT3. I would've had to wait for the first two but regardless I chose GT3 and I'm glad I did. I know the styles are completely different but they are my favorite from each company. For the price of each, 911 all day. No regrets and I won't lose 50% value in 3 years.

I think BMW's have taken a page from MB book. They seem to be more leasing type of vehicles than ownership. I would rather wait 2-3 years to pick one of these up. Plan on keeping GT3 for the long haul.
__________________
2016 Austin Yellow Cabrio
Appreciate 1
      10-09-2019, 12:33 PM   #32
535i MSport
First Lieutenant
535i MSport's Avatar
United Kingdom
195
Rep
319
Posts

Drives: 2017 C63S T
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: East Anglia

iTrader: (0)

Size and weight rules it out for me.

After years of 5 series ownership, I am kicking myself that I didn't have something the size of the M3 and C63 S that now make up the fleet, years ago.
__________________
2017 M3 Comp Pack 450PS

2017 C63S T 510PS
Appreciate 1
clee1982442.00

      10-09-2019, 01:16 PM   #33
kyrix1st
Captain
kyrix1st's Avatar
Japan
569
Rep
948
Posts

Drives: E36 M3 Euro, E36/7, E92 M3
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Kyoto

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2004 BMW Z4  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.SugarSkulls View Post
I'll wait until they start sitting on the lots + massive discounting I.e. i8

Bmw will never learn.
I am sure it is in their strategy book.

Munich Bean counters be like “ooh, since the manufacturing cost is nearly the same as M5 we can still make profit with discounts. Cheers to za idiots who buy it in first year!”

They called it M8 to get more money rather than revive the heritage.
__________________
Pass me if you can.
Appreciate 2
      10-09-2019, 01:30 PM   #34
OBMWBrian
Private First Class
OBMWBrian's Avatar
33
Rep
139
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: West Chester, PA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kyrix1st View Post
It’s a near 200K car that offers marginally better performance than 120K M5. No surprise it didn’t get stellar reviews.

They still would have had a hard time selling this even under perfect circumstances where CFRP driveshaft/body parts/DCT/latest hybrid technology are used yet the hardware is identical to the M5. That ZF gearbox is a major reason why the car feels like a slightly modified M850i, which every reviewer mentions.

Maybe the majority of customers nowadays are generous enough to buy a supposedly halo car that is hardly different from its base model.
Little correction here, it's important to compare like to like. Lots of people are talking about the M8 being a nearly-$200k car, when the highest you can possibly get is with an M8 Comp Convertible at $188,275, with literally every option imaginable including $5000 for frozen paint, $8,150 for CCBs, and $2,300 for Night Vision, all of which are options that almost nobody gets. Take those out at you're at $172,825.

I get it's relatively close to the $200k mark, but that's for a maxed out M8 Convertible. A better comparison to the M5 would be an M8 Coupe (or Gran Coupe, now), and if you're comparing max to max, an M5 tops out at $142,280. A $30k jump, which is hardly the $60-80k jump it seems some people think there is.

I'm not marginalizing how much more expensive the M8 is, but you can't say the M8 is a near-$200k car that's too similar to a $120k M5...
__________________
Appreciate 1
      10-09-2019, 01:39 PM   #35
kyrix1st
Captain
kyrix1st's Avatar
Japan
569
Rep
948
Posts

Drives: E36 M3 Euro, E36/7, E92 M3
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Kyoto

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2004 BMW Z4  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by OBMWBrian View Post
Little correction here, it's important to compare like to like. Lots of people are talking about the M8 being a nearly-$200k car, when the highest you can possibly get is with an M8 Comp Convertible at $188,275, with literally every option imaginable including $5000 for frozen paint, $8,150 for CCBs, and $2,300 for Night Vision, all of which are options that almost nobody gets. Take those out at you're at $172,825.

I get it's relatively close to the $200k mark, but that's for a maxed out M8 Convertible. A better comparison to the M5 would be an M8 Coupe (or Gran Coupe, now), and if you're comparing max to max, an M5 tops out at $142,280. A $30k jump, which is hardly the $60-80k jump it seems some people think there is.

I'm not marginalizing how much more expensive the M8 is, but you can't say the M8 is a near-$200k car that's too similar to a $120k M5...
I am pretty sure I saw M8 convertible (non comp) tagged 169K in Manhattan. Comp pack itself adds about 12-20K depending on optioning CCBs which immediately bumps up to 189K without individual options.

Maybe the price you are referring to is before tax?
__________________
Pass me if you can.
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2019, 01:43 PM   #36
48Laws
Lieutenant Colonel
674
Rep
1,914
Posts

Drives: '15 F80, '18 991.2 GTS
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: East Coast

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by OBMWBrian View Post
Little correction here, it's important to compare like to like. Lots of people are talking about the M8 being a nearly-$200k car, when the highest you can possibly get is with an M8 Comp Convertible at $188,275, with literally every option imaginable including $5000 for frozen paint, $8,150 for CCBs, and $2,300 for Night Vision, all of which are options that almost nobody gets. Take those out at you're at $172,825.

I get it's relatively close to the $200k mark, but that's for a maxed out M8 Convertible. A better comparison to the M5 would be an M8 Coupe (or Gran Coupe, now), and if you're comparing max to max, an M5 tops out at $142,280. A $30k jump, which is hardly the $60-80k jump it seems some people think there is.

I'm not marginalizing how much more expensive the M8 is, but you can't say the M8 is a near-$200k car that's too similar to a $120k M5...

Yes! And therein lies (pun intended) the issue. The most maxed out M to date can also be maxed out with options flirting with a $200k price tag. You’d think it would be packaged better for the initial price shock. The operative word, “from”
Is a another way of saying...good luck finding one on a dealers lot anywhere close to the advertised “from” price. Now, add M tax, dealer hustle taxes, perceived scarcity and other up sells such as paint protection, wheel/tire protection programs, and what most owners will do....springs, tint, ECU twerks, and full body wraps.
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2019, 02:30 PM   #37
paliknight
fuck this field
paliknight's Avatar
United_States
1241
Rep
2,061
Posts

Drives: 18 F80 CS/18 F80 ZCP/19 M2C
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: everywhere

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kyrix1st View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by OBMWBrian View Post
Little correction here, it's important to compare like to like. Lots of people are talking about the M8 being a nearly-$200k car, when the highest you can possibly get is with an M8 Comp Convertible at $188,275, with literally every option imaginable including $5000 for frozen paint, $8,150 for CCBs, and $2,300 for Night Vision, all of which are options that almost nobody gets. Take those out at you're at $172,825.

I get it's relatively close to the $200k mark, but that's for a maxed out M8 Convertible. A better comparison to the M5 would be an M8 Coupe (or Gran Coupe, now), and if you're comparing max to max, an M5 tops out at $142,280. A $30k jump, which is hardly the $60-80k jump it seems some people think there is.

I'm not marginalizing how much more expensive the M8 is, but you can't say the M8 is a near-$200k car that's too similar to a $120k M5...
I am pretty sure I saw M8 convertible (non comp) tagged 169K in Manhattan. Comp pack itself adds about 12-20K depending on optioning CCBs which immediately bumps up to 189K without individual options.

Maybe the price you are referring to is before tax?
Either way if someone could afford 170-190k, then it's probably safe to assume another 10-20k is a nonissue
__________________
BMW family... for now.
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2019, 02:33 PM   #38
paliknight
fuck this field
paliknight's Avatar
United_States
1241
Rep
2,061
Posts

Drives: 18 F80 CS/18 F80 ZCP/19 M2C
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: everywhere

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by chris82 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by paliknight View Post
I have seen 570 leases that are in the same range as the M8C's anticipated lease price.
Probably because the depreciation rate will be insane on this thing, a 2016 M6 can be had for $50k (a 2016 M4 goes for $40k for comparison).
Both cars have horrible depreciation. Keep in mind this has a higher MSRP than the M6 so depreciate will be even steeper!!!
__________________
BMW family... for now.
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2019, 02:33 PM   #39
Mr.SugarSkulls
Brigadier General
Mr.SugarSkulls's Avatar
No_Country
2776
Rep
3,151
Posts

Drives: 2015 BMW i8
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Long Beach, CA

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2016 BMW F13 M6  [5.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by kyrix1st View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.SugarSkulls View Post
I'll wait until they start sitting on the lots + massive discounting I.e. i8

Bmw will never learn.
I am sure it is in their strategy book.

Munich Bean counters be like "ooh, since the manufacturing cost is nearly the same as M5 we can still make profit with discounts. Cheers to za idiots who buy it in first year!"

They called it M8 to get more money rather than revive the heritage.
I hear you, but msrp won't mean shit. Take a look at the roadster.

This summer, you could have had a 170K i8 (still Can of the few left out there) for 900 a month, W/ 7 MSDs- on a 2 year; 10k miles lease.

Sales price/incentives to move old models will always force the dealers to show their hand. As consumers it requires patience however, which I am willing to wait until 2020 to pick one up at a much better price- than be one of the first few suckers stick with a 2200+ a month lease payment for THIS vehicle.

In the mean time. I'm still enjoying my i8 so I'll be good.
__________________
I'm always sunny, hunny.
Appreciate 1
      10-09-2019, 02:43 PM   #40
georgere
Lieutenant Colonel
georgere's Avatar
United_States
501
Rep
1,858
Posts

Drives: 2016 M3 BSM
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Stamford CT

iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kyrix1st View Post
It’s a near 200K car that offers marginally better performance than 120K M5. No surprise it didn’t get stellar reviews.

They still would have had a hard time selling this even under perfect circumstances where CFRP driveshaft/body parts/DCT/latest hybrid technology are used yet the hardware is identical to the M5. That ZF gearbox is a major reason why the car feels like a slightly modified M850i, which every reviewer mentions.

Maybe the majority of customers nowadays are generous enough to buy a supposedly halo car that is hardly different from its base model.
But isn't m5 with the same gearbox, I mean no DCT in either of the cars.
__________________
My 1st love was 2006 BMW 325i Sport + Prem 6MT but I married the 2016 M3 BSM MDCT.
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2019, 02:43 PM   #41
uhn2000
Big K...
uhn2000's Avatar
Canada
44
Rep
1,659
Posts

Drives: 2 For Now..
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Toronto, Ontario

iTrader: (0)

Conceptually it could be so amazing but I think the 8 series coupe in general is a failure. Such a shame really because there was a time I was such a hardcore BMW fan and crazy ///M addict. What happened to the e60/e63 days..

Only way they move these is how they move almost the rest of their product, lease incentives and huge giveaways.
__________________
Prancing horse..
Appreciate 1
      10-09-2019, 02:43 PM   #42
OBMWBrian
Private First Class
OBMWBrian's Avatar
33
Rep
139
Posts

Drives: BMW
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: West Chester, PA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kyrix1st View Post
I am pretty sure I saw M8 convertible (non comp) tagged 169K in Manhattan. Comp pack itself adds about 12-20K depending on optioning CCBs which immediately bumps up to 189K without individual options.

Maybe the price you are referring to is before tax?
The numbers I got are all MSRP from BMWUSA's BYO page. It doesn't make sense to factor tax into any of these numbers as tax will be different for every state.

Competition isn't a package you add on to the car, it's a trim, and it adds exactly $13k to the cost of any non-Comp M8.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 48Laws View Post
Yes! And therein lies (pun intended) the issue. The most maxed out M to date can also be maxed out with options flirting with a $200k price tag. You’d think it would be packaged better for the initial price shock. The operative word, “from”
Is a another way of saying...good luck finding one on a dealers lot anywhere close to the advertised “from” price. Now, add M tax, dealer hustle taxes, perceived scarcity and other up sells such as paint protection, wheel/tire protection programs, and what most owners will do....springs, tint, ECU twerks, and full body wraps.
Wow, if you're seeing M tax and dealer hustle taxes, you should find a different dealer. Other up-sells are only cost-adders if you agree to them, so you can't use that to inflate the cost of a car.
__________________
Appreciate 0
      10-09-2019, 02:53 PM   #43
48Laws
Lieutenant Colonel
674
Rep
1,914
Posts

Drives: '15 F80, '18 991.2 GTS
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: East Coast

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by OBMWBrian View Post


Wow, if you're seeing M tax and dealer hustle taxes, you should find a different dealer. Other up-sells are only cost-adders if you agree to them, so you can't use that to inflate the cost of a car.
M taxes come from the manufacturers. Well, if you go inside the mind of most men who purchase these machines, you’d know most buy these while also considering resell so, many up sells, to them, is the price of business. For example, NOT having CCB on a car like this seems counterintuitive.
Appreciate 1
kyrix1st568.50

      10-09-2019, 02:55 PM   #44
kyrix1st
Captain
kyrix1st's Avatar
Japan
569
Rep
948
Posts

Drives: E36 M3 Euro, E36/7, E92 M3
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Kyoto

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2004 BMW Z4  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by paliknight View Post
Either way if someone could afford 170-190k, then it's probably safe to assume another 10-20k is a nonissue
I'm saying someone who is looking at a 190K car probably wouldn't want something so similar to a 120K variant. It would make more sense if M8 topped at 150K given such little difference.

Quote:
Originally Posted by georgere View Post
But isn't m5 with the same gearbox, I mean no DCT in either of the cars.
Exactly. If they are going to charge 60K odd dollars more they might as well have thrown in proper race inspired transmission.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OBMWBrian View Post
The numbers I got are all MSRP from BMWUSA's BYO page. It doesn't make sense to factor tax into any of these numbers as tax will be different for every state.

Competition isn't a package you add on to the car, it's a trim, and it adds exactly $13k to the cost of any non-Comp M8.
A bit off topic, but I remember the difference between CP vs. non CP being $3K in M3/M4 models. I can't imagine BMW has done significantly more with Competition trim to upcharge $13K. I presume all of these add up to a much more expensive car than it should be.
__________________
Pass me if you can.

Last edited by kyrix1st; 10-09-2019 at 03:03 PM..
Appreciate 0
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:06 AM.




m8
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST