Warming up your car

Ricfutures · 01-22-2016, 01:42 PM

Thought this was interesting read. I usually wait for the "cold start" period to end before driving my E90 M3 and making sure to not push it hard until it reaches proper operating temperature. Thoughts?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/...rtanntp#page=1

MightyMouseTech · 01-22-2016, 01:48 PM

Letting your car sit there idling to warm up is one of the worst things you can do to it.

30s, then drive normally till oil is up to temp, then go for it.

Blackhawk878 · 01-22-2016, 01:48 PM

Get in, buckle in, start it, drive gently (No WOT) until up to operating temp.

///M Power-Belgium · 01-22-2016, 02:05 PM

Hit continious redline in cold start for quicker warm up !
Than it goes really slower ...

Ricfutures · 01-22-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Hit continious redline in cold start for quicker warm up !
Than it goes really slower ...

Followed by another bearing failure thread.

mojobmw_e90 · 01-22-2016, 02:18 PM

Usually 3min tops. Let the oil do it's thing before taking it out.

Law · 01-22-2016, 02:41 PM

Idle warm-up or gentle throttle warm-up?

Hard break-in or soft break-in?

Castrol Edge or Liqui Moly?

10w60 or 5w30?

6 hrs of sleep or 8 hrs of sleep?

3 meals a day or 2 meals a day?

You see, some issues will probably never see unanimous agreement.
No matter what, there will always be opposite camps, each claiming that the other opposing side's habits are detrimental & destructive.

Do what you feel is right & comfortable with based on your own research.

David70 · 01-22-2016, 02:48 PM

For daily driver I remote start it on the way to the car and either get in and drive away slowly or clear off the snow/ice (it is idling) and get in drive away.

Mainly do it this way because I think idling is a waste of fuel and time but I really don't believe either way will affect the engine enough to matter when it comes to how long/miles most people have their car.

///M Power-Belgium · 01-22-2016, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricfutures

Followed by another bearing failure thread.

Yeah the list became really long ,all the guys with the propper warm up procedure having BF how can this be ?

MightyMouseTech · 01-22-2016, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Law

Idle warm-up or gentle throttle warm-up?

Well, not really. A car idling will never warm up. All you are doing is making the time to warmed up longer (most engine wear occurs while the engine is warming up, why make it longer), filling the exhaust and oil with water, and washing oil off the cylinders.

Law · 01-22-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

Well, not really. A car idling will never warm up. All you are doing is making the time to warmed up longer (most engine wear occurs while the engine is warming up, why make it longer), filling the exhaust and oil with water, and washing oil off the cylinders.

Nice one professor.
My point stands.

Quote:

You see, some issues will probably never see unanimous agreement.
No matter what, there will always be opposite camps, each claiming that the other opposing side's habits are detrimental & destructive.

MightyMouseTech · 01-22-2016, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Law

Nice one professor.
My point stands.

And some people understand the physics.

Law · 01-22-2016, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

And some people understand the physics.

MightyMouseTech · 01-22-2016, 03:06 PM

I was trying to explain why it's bad. You did not want to listen.

Law · 01-22-2016, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

I was trying to explain why it's bad. You did not want to listen.

Read my original post. I'm not endorsing one side or another.

Two sides to everything is my point.

MightyMouseTech · 01-22-2016, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Law

Read my original post. I'm not endorsing one side or another.

Two sides to everything is my point.

Yes, that is why I clipped out your first point. Everything else, yes, opinion and can be argued to death. Letting a car idle to warm up is just not a good idea and does not fall under the same category.

Law · 01-22-2016, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

Yes, that is why I clipped out your first point. Everything else, yes, opinion and can be argued to death. Letting a car idle to warm up is just not a good idea and does not fall under the same category.

These topics are debated whether you want to recognize it or not.

Just because you refuse to acknowledge it doesn't mean it ceases to exist.

Ali Shiralian · 01-22-2016, 03:48 PM

I don't think 2-3 minutes idling will damage anything, been doing it for 30+ years of driving and no issues yet...

RM7 · 01-22-2016, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyMouseTech

Well, not really. A car idling will never warm up.

Yes, it will, even in Fairbanks. Did last week.

quagmire · 01-22-2016, 04:09 PM

I will remote start it as I walk to the car to allow oil to begin flowing through the engine, but then will begin driving it as soon as I get in.

overcoil · 01-22-2016, 04:14 PM

So where does idling in traffic where the air intake is probably sucking everyone else's exhaust fit into the debate?
Is the warmup advice strictly in relation to the minutes after a cold start?

SakhirM4 · 01-22-2016, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottSinger

So where does idling in traffic where the air intake is probably sucking everyone else's exhaust fit into the debate?
Is the warmup advice strictly in relation to the minutes after a cold start?

What does that have to do with letting it idle BEFORE it warms up

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Law Global Moderator 6382 Rep 2,309 Posts Drives: E90 M3 6MT Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA iTrader: (1) Garage List 2011.5 BMW M3 [10.00] 2004 BMW M3 [10.00]	Idle warm-up or gentle throttle warm-up? Hard break-in or soft break-in? Castrol Edge or Liqui Moly? 10w60 or 5w30? 6 hrs of sleep or 8 hrs of sleep? 3 meals a day or 2 meals a day? You see, some issues will probably never see unanimous agreement. No matter what, there will always be opposite camps, each claiming that the other opposing side's habits are detrimental & destructive. Do what you feel is right & comfortable with based on your own research. __________________ 2011.5 E90 ///M3 \| 6-Speed Manual \| Slicktop \| Jerez Black \| Fox Red E9x M3 Press/Media Archives Thread \| S65-based Racing Engines Thread
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MightyMouseTech Major General 4338 Rep 6,196 Posts Drives: 13 135i 6MT LeMans Blue MSport Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Ottawa, Canada iTrader: (0)	I was trying to explain why it's bad. You did not want to listen.
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quagmire I am Gundam 187 Rep 1,211 Posts Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I will remote start it as I walk to the car to allow oil to begin flowing through the engine, but then will begin driving it as soon as I get in.
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overcoil Major General 3076 Rep 5,577 Posts Drives: M235i 6spd Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Mid-Atlantic iTrader: (0)	So where does idling in traffic where the air intake is probably sucking everyone else's exhaust fit into the debate? Is the warmup advice strictly in relation to the minutes after a cold start?
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