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      Today, 12:24 PM   #3565
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Dude, I’ve been using guns for nearly 50 years. Spare me the lecture. I’m an instructor and an RSO. Maybe you are unfamiliar with any kind of safety other than the Glock trigger safety. Maybe you are a die hard Glock fan boy. I don’t know. But the fact is that most safeties prevent the gun from firing even if the trigger is pulled. For example, the 1911.
Well I am 73 and went hunting at the age of 12. I am a range officer and an NRA instructor in Basic Pistol. I realize that isn't saying a lot but I'm working up to "Inside and Outside the Home" I have have/had 3 instructors at the Law Enforcement Center of HAACF (you can look it up)..I only get the instructors who Teach Police Instructors.

I am only pointing this out bc you brought up your "qualifications."-realizing no one knows if either of us ever handled a firearm.

And why did you mention:
"Trigger Lock" when I assume you meant "safety or Trigger Safety" A trigger lock physically locks the trigger with a "key"

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Glocks actually have 3 safeties. Drop, trigger and firing pin safety.

If you carry unchambered, then you may either need more training, a new holster with better retention, or both.
In my experience and from my understanding there is only one way for a Clock to fire a round and that requires the trigger being pulled.
I thought that applied to all handguns except for the P320!

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Glocks actually have 3 safeties. Drop, trigger and firing pin safety.

If you carry unchambered, then you may either need more training, a new holster with better retention, or both.
I own several Glocks and I understand how the safeties work. I understand that a Glock will not fire unless the trigger is pulled. I was simply making the point that the Glock trigger safety is unconventional in that there is no trigger lock out that prevents the gun from firing even if the trigger IS pulled. For this reason, I look at Glocks differently. Terrible weapon for pocket carry or purse carry because something could inadvertently get inside the trigger guard and discharge the weapon. I love Glocks, and I think they are safe when carried holstered and used by someone with some training.

For those making pronouncements on what is the only "right" way to carry. Yeah whatever.
Not trying to insult you or anything. I just meant if a handgun is being concealed or carried, a proper holster with a trigger guard should always be used; even in the pocket (pocket holster) regardless if it's striker or hammer fired.

I agree. They should be carried by people with some training, but that applies to all firearms.
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I thought that applied to all handguns except for the P320!


Not trying to insult you or anything. I just meant if a handgun is being concealed or carried, a proper holster with a trigger guard should always be used; even in the pocket (pocket holster) regardless if it's striker or hammer fired.

I agree. They should be carried by people with some training, but that applies to all firearms.
I agree with all of that. Iíve just never been entirely comfortable with the Glock trigger safety. Itís a single action trigger (albeit a crappy one with a long pull) and having one in the pipe on a draw is just a bit sketchy to me. Iíve been around long enough to know that mistakes happen and not everyone is in a constant state of training. Thatís why there are two schools of thought on whether to keep one in the pipe or rack one in after the draw. Neither one is right or wrong, they just have different risks and benefits.

I just canít stand it when people act like there is only one ďrightĒ way to carry, and discount legitimate concerns by claiming that only a moron would make a mistake that would cause those concerns to be a real world issue. In the real world, things happen quickly, unexpectedly, and under great stress. The one thing you can count on is that mistakes will be made. Unless you are John Wick, of course, in which case

Iím more comfortable with carrying a 1911 cocked and locked. I acknowledge that something could go wrong on the draw there too, but I find it more secure than a Glock on the draw. Now if they were only as reliable
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I agree with all of that. Iíve just never been entirely comfortable with the Glock trigger safety. Itís a single action trigger (albeit a crappy one with a long pull) and having one in the pipe on a draw is just a bit sketchy to me. Iíve been around long enough to know that mistakes happen and not everyone is in a constant state of training. Thatís why there are two schools of thought on whether to keep one in the pipe or rack one in after the draw. Neither one is right or wrong, they just have different risks and benefits.

I just canít stand it when people act like there is only one ďrightĒ way to carry, and discount legitimate concerns by claiming that only a moron would make a mistake that would cause those concerns to be a real world issue. In the real world, things happen quickly, unexpectedly, and under great stress. The one thing you can count on is that mistakes will be made. Unless you are John Wick, of course, in which case

Iím more comfortable with carrying a 1911 cocked and locked. I acknowledge that something could go wrong on the draw there too, but I find it more secure than a Glock on the draw. Now if they were only as reliable
ultimately carry what you're comfortable with, and practice, practice practice.
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I agree with all of that. I’ve just never been entirely comfortable with the Glock trigger safety. It’s a single action trigger (albeit a crappy one with a long pull) and having one in the pipe on a draw is just a bit sketchy to me. I’ve been around long enough to know that mistakes happen and not everyone is in a constant state of training. That’s why there are two schools of thought on whether to keep one in the pipe or rack one in after the draw. Neither one is right or wrong, they just have different risks and benefits.

I just can’t stand it when people act like there is only one “right” way to carry, and discount legitimate concerns by claiming that only a moron would make a mistake that would cause those concerns to be a real world issue. In the real world, things happen quickly, unexpectedly, and under great stress. The one thing you can count on is that mistakes will be made. Unless you are John Wick, of course, in which case

I’m more comfortable with carrying a 1911 cocked and locked. I acknowledge that something could go wrong on the draw there too, but I find it more secure than a Glock on the draw. Now if they were only as reliable
I'm with you, I vastly prefer even a 1911 cocked and locked to a Glock. I've carried a Kimber of mine countless times that way with no problem, but I can't get past the idea of carrying a Glock chambered for the before mentioned issues. I'd love to get a Glock 21 due to it having the same magazines as my Vector .45, but I just can't do it.

I've been carrying my FNX .45 Tactical lately with an outside the waist band holster. I use the Sig 230gr. V-Crown JHP rounds with it.
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I'm with you, I vastly prefer even a 1911 cocked and locked to a Glock. I've carried a Kimber of mine countless times that way with no problem, but I can't get past the idea of carrying a Glock chambered for the before mentioned issues. I'd love to get a Glock 21 due to it having the same magazines as my Vector .45, but I just can't do it.

I've been carrying my FNX .45 Tactical lately with an outside the waist band holster. I use the Sig 230gr. V-Crown JHP rounds with it.
So I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but when you say you've carried various guns without issue what do you mean? Have you found yourself in a situation where you had to draw and shoot? The reason I bring this up is I suspect that the vast majority of CCW folks never actually draw and shoot so there's a lot of speculation about one pistol vs another on their part. I'd suggest that folks should pick one gun to carry and stick with it, practice with it. Practice with the holster you'll use, always use the same holster. Practice drawing and shooting, practice moving to cover because that's what you should always do. Practice clearing stoppages. He who fights and runs away.... I'm not sure why folks don't like Block, 10 of Thousands of LEO carry them for a reason. They work, always, and they are simple to use in high stress situations.

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So I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but when you say you've carried various guns without issue what do you mean? Have you found yourself in a situation where you had to draw and shoot? The reason I bring this up is I suspect that the vast majority of CCW folks never actually draw and shoot so there's a lot of speculation about one pistol vs another on their part. I'd suggest that folks should pick one gun to carry and stick with it, practice with it. Practice with the holster you'll use, always use the same holster. Practice drawing and shooting, practice moving to cover because that's what you should always do. He who fights and runs away.....
Without issue means not putting a hole in my leg/foot/or floor and not feeling intimidated at anytime like I would with a striker fire gun such as a Glock. DA/SA are all I've really owned/used since I was a kid.
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Without issue means not putting a hole in my leg/foot/or floor and not feeling intimidated at anytime like I would with a striker fire gun such as a Glock. DA/SA are all I've really owned/used since I was a kid.
So I was going to add one thing to my post but I'll say it here. I've said it before, carry what you're comfortable with and stick with it. All of my training has included 'FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER' until you decide to shoot.
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Almost all my draw training has been with a 1911, admittedly, though I have done some with the Glock 17 out of a Kydex, but not out of a carry holster.

Iíve never had an AD in my life (knocks on head), and all my training has obviously included finger off the trigger. Like I said, I love Glocks, I own Glocks, and I agree that they are super reliable. Great guns. Definitely not hating on Glocks.

All in all I prefer the American Draw to the Israeli Draw, and I do keep my finger out of the trigger guard, but...
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