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      10-09-2019, 11:51 AM   #23
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Was hoping for better and it seems BMW did this to themselves. They made the M850i such a good car and value that the M8 is hard to justify for $25-30k more. I always prefer the true M car to these M sport or M performance models but it seems BMW held back rather than let loose like it did with the M5 and probably X5M models. I already have my order in and hoping that BMW and the dealer will make me a terrific deal. It seems the M850i should have been the M8 and then just the M8 comp model. Only time and more reviews will see.

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I just hope the steering is more like the M2. The M850 I drove is a nice car with all the right “stuff” for a high performance GT besides its feather-light numb steering; it ruins the experience if you like driving hand (which the M8 should be all about).
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Thanks for posting.

I'd rather have a Porsche 911.
Hard to disagree with, the M8 just doesn't seem like the best choice in regards to its price and other similar competing vehicles. Even worse is, not only would I get a 911 over an M8, but I'd likely also go for an M5, or AMG GT over one as well.
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I just hope the steering is more like the M2. The M850 I drove is a nice car with all the right "stuff" for a high performance GT besides its feather-light numb steering; it ruins the experience if you like driving hand (which the M8 should be all about).
Looks like steering has been improved? C/D who are steering snobs like myself said good things about it, but then again, C/D will usually rave about something during prototype/first drives, but then find it to be rather meh during their instrument testing/full reviews. It will probably be similar to the M5, but not as good as an AMG GT or 911. Looks like the problem will now be with the brakes!
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I have seen 570 leases that are in the same range as the M8C's anticipated lease price.
Precisely. Both with arguably the same level of utility , which is, performance, single man-ownership, and seasonal.
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I have seen 570 leases that are in the same range as the M8C's anticipated lease price.
Probably because the depreciation rate will be insane on this thing, a 2016 M6 can be had for $50k (a 2016 M4 goes for $40k for comparison).
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I was in the market for 3 cars few months ago. M8 Comp Cabrio, AMG GT63 S and 911 GT3. I would've had to wait for the first two but regardless I chose GT3 and I'm glad I did. I know the styles are completely different but they are my favorite from each company. For the price of each, 911 all day. No regrets and I won't lose 50% value in 3 years.

I think BMW's have taken a page from MB book. They seem to be more leasing type of vehicles than ownership. I would rather wait 2-3 years to pick one of these up. Plan on keeping GT3 for the long haul.
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Size and weight rules it out for me.

After years of 5 series ownership, I am kicking myself that I didn't have something the size of the M3 and C63 S that now make up the fleet, years ago.
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I'll wait until they start sitting on the lots + massive discounting I.e. i8

Bmw will never learn.
I am sure it is in their strategy book.

Munich Bean counters be like “ooh, since the manufacturing cost is nearly the same as M5 we can still make profit with discounts. Cheers to za idiots who buy it in first year!”

They called it M8 to get more money rather than revive the heritage.
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It’s a near 200K car that offers marginally better performance than 120K M5. No surprise it didn’t get stellar reviews.

They still would have had a hard time selling this even under perfect circumstances where CFRP driveshaft/body parts/DCT/latest hybrid technology are used yet the hardware is identical to the M5. That ZF gearbox is a major reason why the car feels like a slightly modified M850i, which every reviewer mentions.

Maybe the majority of customers nowadays are generous enough to buy a supposedly halo car that is hardly different from its base model.
Little correction here, it's important to compare like to like. Lots of people are talking about the M8 being a nearly-$200k car, when the highest you can possibly get is with an M8 Comp Convertible at $188,275, with literally every option imaginable including $5000 for frozen paint, $8,150 for CCBs, and $2,300 for Night Vision, all of which are options that almost nobody gets. Take those out at you're at $172,825.

I get it's relatively close to the $200k mark, but that's for a maxed out M8 Convertible. A better comparison to the M5 would be an M8 Coupe (or Gran Coupe, now), and if you're comparing max to max, an M5 tops out at $142,280. A $30k jump, which is hardly the $60-80k jump it seems some people think there is.

I'm not marginalizing how much more expensive the M8 is, but you can't say the M8 is a near-$200k car that's too similar to a $120k M5...
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Little correction here, it's important to compare like to like. Lots of people are talking about the M8 being a nearly-$200k car, when the highest you can possibly get is with an M8 Comp Convertible at $188,275, with literally every option imaginable including $5000 for frozen paint, $8,150 for CCBs, and $2,300 for Night Vision, all of which are options that almost nobody gets. Take those out at you're at $172,825.

I get it's relatively close to the $200k mark, but that's for a maxed out M8 Convertible. A better comparison to the M5 would be an M8 Coupe (or Gran Coupe, now), and if you're comparing max to max, an M5 tops out at $142,280. A $30k jump, which is hardly the $60-80k jump it seems some people think there is.

I'm not marginalizing how much more expensive the M8 is, but you can't say the M8 is a near-$200k car that's too similar to a $120k M5...
I am pretty sure I saw M8 convertible (non comp) tagged 169K in Manhattan. Comp pack itself adds about 12-20K depending on optioning CCBs which immediately bumps up to 189K without individual options.

Maybe the price you are referring to is before tax?
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Little correction here, it's important to compare like to like. Lots of people are talking about the M8 being a nearly-$200k car, when the highest you can possibly get is with an M8 Comp Convertible at $188,275, with literally every option imaginable including $5000 for frozen paint, $8,150 for CCBs, and $2,300 for Night Vision, all of which are options that almost nobody gets. Take those out at you're at $172,825.

I get it's relatively close to the $200k mark, but that's for a maxed out M8 Convertible. A better comparison to the M5 would be an M8 Coupe (or Gran Coupe, now), and if you're comparing max to max, an M5 tops out at $142,280. A $30k jump, which is hardly the $60-80k jump it seems some people think there is.

I'm not marginalizing how much more expensive the M8 is, but you can't say the M8 is a near-$200k car that's too similar to a $120k M5...

Yes! And therein lies (pun intended) the issue. The most maxed out M to date can also be maxed out with options flirting with a $200k price tag. You’d think it would be packaged better for the initial price shock. The operative word, “from”
Is a another way of saying...good luck finding one on a dealers lot anywhere close to the advertised “from” price. Now, add M tax, dealer hustle taxes, perceived scarcity and other up sells such as paint protection, wheel/tire protection programs, and what most owners will do....springs, tint, ECU twerks, and full body wraps.
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Little correction here, it's important to compare like to like. Lots of people are talking about the M8 being a nearly-$200k car, when the highest you can possibly get is with an M8 Comp Convertible at $188,275, with literally every option imaginable including $5000 for frozen paint, $8,150 for CCBs, and $2,300 for Night Vision, all of which are options that almost nobody gets. Take those out at you're at $172,825.

I get it's relatively close to the $200k mark, but that's for a maxed out M8 Convertible. A better comparison to the M5 would be an M8 Coupe (or Gran Coupe, now), and if you're comparing max to max, an M5 tops out at $142,280. A $30k jump, which is hardly the $60-80k jump it seems some people think there is.

I'm not marginalizing how much more expensive the M8 is, but you can't say the M8 is a near-$200k car that's too similar to a $120k M5...
I am pretty sure I saw M8 convertible (non comp) tagged 169K in Manhattan. Comp pack itself adds about 12-20K depending on optioning CCBs which immediately bumps up to 189K without individual options.

Maybe the price you are referring to is before tax?
Either way if someone could afford 170-190k, then it's probably safe to assume another 10-20k is a nonissue
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I have seen 570 leases that are in the same range as the M8C's anticipated lease price.
Probably because the depreciation rate will be insane on this thing, a 2016 M6 can be had for $50k (a 2016 M4 goes for $40k for comparison).
Both cars have horrible depreciation. Keep in mind this has a higher MSRP than the M6 so depreciate will be even steeper!!!
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I'll wait until they start sitting on the lots + massive discounting I.e. i8

Bmw will never learn.
I am sure it is in their strategy book.

Munich Bean counters be like "ooh, since the manufacturing cost is nearly the same as M5 we can still make profit with discounts. Cheers to za idiots who buy it in first year!"

They called it M8 to get more money rather than revive the heritage.
I hear you, but msrp won't mean shit. Take a look at the roadster.

This summer, you could have had a 170K i8 (still Can of the few left out there) for 900 a month, W/ 7 MSDs- on a 2 year; 10k miles lease.

Sales price/incentives to move old models will always force the dealers to show their hand. As consumers it requires patience however, which I am willing to wait until 2020 to pick one up at a much better price- than be one of the first few suckers stick with a 2200+ a month lease payment for THIS vehicle.

In the mean time. I'm still enjoying my i8 so I'll be good.
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It’s a near 200K car that offers marginally better performance than 120K M5. No surprise it didn’t get stellar reviews.

They still would have had a hard time selling this even under perfect circumstances where CFRP driveshaft/body parts/DCT/latest hybrid technology are used yet the hardware is identical to the M5. That ZF gearbox is a major reason why the car feels like a slightly modified M850i, which every reviewer mentions.

Maybe the majority of customers nowadays are generous enough to buy a supposedly halo car that is hardly different from its base model.
But isn't m5 with the same gearbox, I mean no DCT in either of the cars.
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Conceptually it could be so amazing but I think the 8 series coupe in general is a failure. Such a shame really because there was a time I was such a hardcore BMW fan and crazy ///M addict. What happened to the e60/e63 days..

Only way they move these is how they move almost the rest of their product, lease incentives and huge giveaways.
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I am pretty sure I saw M8 convertible (non comp) tagged 169K in Manhattan. Comp pack itself adds about 12-20K depending on optioning CCBs which immediately bumps up to 189K without individual options.

Maybe the price you are referring to is before tax?
The numbers I got are all MSRP from BMWUSA's BYO page. It doesn't make sense to factor tax into any of these numbers as tax will be different for every state.

Competition isn't a package you add on to the car, it's a trim, and it adds exactly $13k to the cost of any non-Comp M8.

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Yes! And therein lies (pun intended) the issue. The most maxed out M to date can also be maxed out with options flirting with a $200k price tag. You’d think it would be packaged better for the initial price shock. The operative word, “from”
Is a another way of saying...good luck finding one on a dealers lot anywhere close to the advertised “from” price. Now, add M tax, dealer hustle taxes, perceived scarcity and other up sells such as paint protection, wheel/tire protection programs, and what most owners will do....springs, tint, ECU twerks, and full body wraps.
Wow, if you're seeing M tax and dealer hustle taxes, you should find a different dealer. Other up-sells are only cost-adders if you agree to them, so you can't use that to inflate the cost of a car.
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Wow, if you're seeing M tax and dealer hustle taxes, you should find a different dealer. Other up-sells are only cost-adders if you agree to them, so you can't use that to inflate the cost of a car.
M taxes come from the manufacturers. Well, if you go inside the mind of most men who purchase these machines, you’d know most buy these while also considering resell so, many up sells, to them, is the price of business. For example, NOT having CCB on a car like this seems counterintuitive.
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Either way if someone could afford 170-190k, then it's probably safe to assume another 10-20k is a nonissue
I'm saying someone who is looking at a 190K car probably wouldn't want something so similar to a 120K variant. It would make more sense if M8 topped at 150K given such little difference.

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But isn't m5 with the same gearbox, I mean no DCT in either of the cars.
Exactly. If they are going to charge 60K odd dollars more they might as well have thrown in proper race inspired transmission.

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The numbers I got are all MSRP from BMWUSA's BYO page. It doesn't make sense to factor tax into any of these numbers as tax will be different for every state.

Competition isn't a package you add on to the car, it's a trim, and it adds exactly $13k to the cost of any non-Comp M8.
A bit off topic, but I remember the difference between CP vs. non CP being $3K in M3/M4 models. I can't imagine BMW has done significantly more with Competition trim to upcharge $13K. I presume all of these add up to a much more expensive car than it should be.
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I'm saying someone who is looking at a 190K car probably wouldn't want something so similar to a 120K variant. It would make more sense if M8 topped at 150K given such little difference.



Exactly. If they are going to charge 60K odd dollars more they might as well have thrown in proper race inspired transmission.



A bit off topic, but I remember the difference between CP vs. non CP being $3K in M3/M4 models. I can't imagine BMW has done significantly more with Competition trim to upcharge $13K. I presume all of these add up to a much more expensive car than it should be.
Check my post above. Base vs base, an M8 is ~$31k more than an M5. That's still a lot, but it certainly isn't $60k.

Also, the Competition Package on the M3/M4 was $4,750, and gave you 20hp, M Sport exhaust, revised front steering, revised suspension, revised rear diff, the 20" wheels, M seat belts, and extended shadowline trim.

The Competition version of the M8 gives you 17hp, peak torque 160rpm higher, revised suspension, stiffer engine mounts, more front negative camber, rear toe-link ball joints to replace bushings, M Sport exhaust, a "Track" setting for in-car electronics and driving aids, M seat belts, and different wheels.

For the sake of comparison, the Competition Package for the M6 was $8,300 and included similar upgrades. These same improvements on a much faster car with much higher levels of tech will cost more, but with this car competing a bit more upmarket, even further cost increase might have made sense to the company.
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