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wam bam thank you mam
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Per my dealer... here are the 2020s remaining in inventory...
142 M8 Comp Conv 329 M8 Comp Cpe 618 M8 Conf 312 M8 Cpe as he said "we don't need any 2021s at this time"
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There were some decent deals leading up to this news, I don't think things will change right away. But they're not moving, so there will have to be some changes in the MF to get rid of them.
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Closed the ED Program. A horrible 4 Series design. A failed 8 series... they better get their shit together.
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M stands for Meaningless now. 😂🤦
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Don't think the 8 Series failed as a car but BMW did a poor job on the with the launch, dealer inventory, marketing and to some extend pricing.
The reality is that compared to SUV's & cross-overs, virtually all sedans, coupes and convertibles have become niche vehicles. This is not unique to BMW. The usual bread and butter models like the BMW 3 & 5 series are outsold by a large margin by X3 & X5 models. Same with Mercedes C & E-Class are well below the GLC & GLE models. Yet BMW decided to create 18 different 8 series models (with Diesels) and 6 M8 models alone and then loaded up every dealer in the country with launch inventory plus more to come. Zero exclusivity, no marketing support, smaller dealerships desperate to move cars off the lot that they have no experience selling. This is not how you create brand.. If BMW sold 1700 units in Q2 during COVID, good for them. Even if at a 15-20% discount. Last edited by Wolfman64; 07-14-2020 at 02:06 PM.. |
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I can only imagine the depreciation on these things after a few years (50% or more?). The M8 should never have been priced so high in 911 territory. |
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Not surprised. There's no reason to buy the M8 other than a status symbol. The interior is pretty much the same as an M5 (and even a 3 series for that matter).
I still can't understand why they essentially use the same interior on a $50k 3 series as a $150k M8, save a few carbon bits here and there? If I had the $ I'd def be looking at something way more exotic
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https://www.motor1.com/news/405697/b...-difficulties/ https://www.autoblog.com/2020/03/26/...es-slow-sales/ https://www.jdpower.com/cars/shoppin...ng-enthusiasts https://carbuzz.com/news/bmw-dealers...h-the-8-series Porsche makes $17,000 for every car they sell. Ferrari makes about $70,000. They don't need to sell as many as for it to make sense for them. Mercedes is also fine with selling 4,000 AMG GT's a year because it keeps that brands prestige up and gives it's clients something to yearn for. I'm also pretty sure cars like the A and B class fund projects like that. Why is Mercedes able to invest and make a Project One Hyper car but we haven't seen anything worth a hooey from BMW since....forever? Mercedes is only going to sell a handful of them(I actually think they're all already sold) but it draws attention to the brand and make current Mercedes owners see what the brand is capable of so they come back again. The 8 series also has depreciates harder than a free falling rock thrown down the Grand Canyon. P.S. It doesn't help that SUV's are taking over. I think 48% of BMW USA sales last year were SUV's. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/17/prof...s-per-car.html
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well, for the MSRP of these things, think of what else you can buy from the likes of A.Martin, Bentley, Porsche, etc. Much different league at that price point!!
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TL;DR: BMW isn't doing anything that really sets them apart in the price bracket. They're using the same formula at a price point that expects more. If I pay $130,000 - my car better be special and not look exactly like an M5. I can only imagine how someone in an M8 would feel.
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Yep. And those brands don't need a crazy amount of sales for them to be happy.
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07-14-2020, 03:54 PM | #131 |
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I dumped my BMW stock. They are too slow and reactionary now. Their EV efforts will fail because they are not made on a dedicated platform. This is clearly the future and they are not taking it seriously. Their other missteps like the 8 series do not give me confidence.
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