08-12-2016, 11:15 AM | #89 |
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Ironically people like Christian Horner, Rob Smedley, Adrian Newey have stated current F1 cars are too easy to drive. Hamilton and Vettel have echoed the same sentiments, both having said lets go back to V12's and manual gearboxes.
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08-12-2016, 11:25 AM | #91 |
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08-12-2016, 11:30 AM | #92 | |
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This remains a silly argument. Both types of transmissions are good and have their places. I think it all boils down to when the choice is available, everyone wins. Thankfully it appears the 991.2 GT3 will be the first time that both transmissions are offered, a win for both camps. |
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08-12-2016, 11:33 AM | #94 | |
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Yes manuals are a drag in traffic (that's why I said they're tedious) but they're not difficult to use. As far a performance cars are concerned dual clutch set ups make more sense given the power and sophistication of the rest of the car. If you love the manual great.
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08-12-2016, 11:34 AM | #95 |
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Well if they can't drive a manual how would they drive a GT4, any GT3 prior to 991, the new 911 R, etc. Unworthy maybe not, but physically unable...yes. |
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08-12-2016, 11:42 AM | #96 |
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I had a manual M Coupe and the wife's auto 135i when I lived in Orange County. The 1er was actually worse in traffic since the automatic creep took more foot pressure to negate than the force to engage the clutch in my M Coupe.
We took my car when heading into LA, sort of negating the 'automatics are easier in traffic' argument. Using a clutch is like walking, once you know how to do it, it's not any harder than using a moving sidewalk. |
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08-12-2016, 11:43 AM | #97 | |
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If that bothers you, step it down to the highest end street legal cars. They don't use manuals either. If you love a manual good for you and it appears that Porsche bowed to the pressure. Hopefully it doesn't end up like the E60 M5 manual.
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08-12-2016, 11:46 AM | #98 |
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Okay, if we're just talking the ultimate track time performance, the fastest cars all have some form of hybrid assist. So you're still a step away from greatness.
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08-12-2016, 12:24 PM | #101 | |
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Ferrari has hinted that they'll offer three pedals for a serious premium. They've noticed the absurd resale on the last manual cars and want back into that market. |
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08-12-2016, 01:22 PM | #104 | |
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That's cool. I don't have a problem with Porsche putting a manual in their vehicles. I'm just expressing my opinion of the manual and reacting to some of the snide commentary on paddles and power. One offs will always garner a lot of money but the manual is dying for a reason (or reasons). Like I mentioned, I was considering a heavily discounted gated manual V10 R8 a few years back as evidence that manual in performance cars is dying. That said, the one car I think runs counter to that is the GT3. Frankly I was a bit shocked they didn't offer the 991.1 in a manual. I thought PDK would be an option.
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It's so much more rewarding when you can heel toe into a corner and exit out like a pro, w/o using auto blip. I don't get that sensation when all I have to do is click a paddle.
This argument is definitely not going to go anywhere, it's the case everytime there's a discussion about auto vs manual. At the end of the day, I'm glad the GT4 is manual only and wish they had kept the GT3/RS manual only as well, but there's always going to be someone who wants to say paddles are faster and you can extract more power and time out of it. Unless you're making tens of millions as a professional, you can say all you want, but you're not really going to be extracting all that power on the track or on the street regardless of the transmission. I'll gladly sacrifice that tenth of a second to have my manual over paddles any day.
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08-12-2016, 01:40 PM | #106 |
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Meh, batteries and their insta-torque will kill all of our transmissions anyway. No reason for flappy paddle folks to feel superior to the three pedal set. It's all going away.
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08-12-2016, 01:42 PM | #107 | |
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Yeah its going nowhere but your post is an example of why my hackles come up in this debate.
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08-12-2016, 02:29 PM | #109 | |
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I love fast cars and driving them fast (well, accelerating quickly, not going fast.) Other people love the involvement of rowing gears at a more leisurely pace. There's absolutely nothing wrong with either preference. Ideally the cars would be offered with both transmissions. |
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08-12-2016, 02:39 PM | #110 |
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That's good. It seems like creep is intentionally programmed in many lower-end car DSG trannies because people are more used to it. I honestly hope that they just leave it out even in luxury cars or atleast an option to turn it off.
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