[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Vic55

is your car this color--- pretty menacing but the back end is still something to acquire- this is one of many in SoCal at the same exact build and msrp

Yes this is like mine but i have the bicolor wheels
I got a rear spoiler m performance like but agree the rear it is not that great looking but much better in person and i think the spoiler will make it look better

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by Bluex

I’m an F80 driver in this predicament and have been bouncing around between the new G90, M850i GC and a CPO M8 GC. I have no idea where I will land, honestly. So many things I like about all.

I’ve seen the G90 up close and sat in it and what I can say is that pics don’t do it justice….it looks far better and aggressive in person. I’m still having a hard time with the dash on it that looks like a bunch of iPads taped together and plopped right there in front of you. It’s jarring to me.

Regarding the sound system: it has B&W, but perhaps you mean the diamond system? From many accounts this new “non-diamond” B&W system is actually better and newer than the “old” diamond. Better drivers and brand new processing tech that is superior. I haven’t heard it so I can’t say for sure, just relaying what I’ve read.

The only option I’m waiting for is the full Merino leather and you may not have to wait long for that. Rumor is there will be a mini-update in March when that becomes available. We’ll see.

As it is, I need to shit or get off the pot (as my Irish grandmother would say) and make a decision soon. My wife is getting annoyed I haven’t picked one yet (she loves the G90). I’d go for the M8 but am worried the ride might be a bit stiffer than what I’m looking for…..the F80’s ride became a bit tiresome for daily driving after awhile and my back was sure to let me know this after any extended drive.

Great post. Thanks for sharing your conundrum. I know what it's like to have to make such a tremendous purchase decision.
the Spring update you mentioned is worth investigating. I'm going to inquire with my local sales manager. Regarding the stereo, you're correct. I meant Diamond. Although I haven't driven it. I sat in it. I love the size and overall setup. I'm not too keen on the screens being placed up high on top of the dash but, I truly detest the big tablets ala Tesla style. This is simply a sign of the new design tech times.
From the plethora of videos I've watched, the ride quality is substantially better and more plush than the F90 which for me is a great thing.
I can speak on the ride quality of my car having now owned her @ 4 months. Keep in mind that the Gran Coupe is more forgiving due to the longer wheelbase. It is surprisingly compliant on city streets in Comfort. Now granted, my local area roads are really good here in the Suburbs of Dallas. In Sport mode, the ride is substantially stiffer to me. If it were like that regularly, I would not have purchased this car. But on the highway in Sport, it's really good, planted and responsive.
I also agree that the G90 truly has way more presence in person than in pics. I also appreciate the fact that it's much more distinguished than the regular 5. Something I disliked about the previous Gen.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Yes this is like mine but i have the bicolor wheels
I got a rear spoiler m performance like but agree the rear it is not that great looking but much better in person and i think the spoiler will make it look better

The car has a dystopian look in the back... I think your pics will give us more perspective and your experiences as a member here vs the all the YT vids

I do see that its just slower from a dig but the roll races Ive watched are more enlightening with the immediate tq in any rpm/gear range.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by Vic55

The car has a dystopian look in the back... I think your pics will give us more perspective and your experiences as a member here vs the all the YT vids

I do see that its just slower from a dig but the roll races Ive watched are more enlightening with the immediate tq in any rpm/gear range.

Thank you
Yes will also do some runs stock and time it and compare it to my M8 same setup
I will also tune it with jb4 and downpipes intake and compare it
Will get pic next week and some draggy runs stock

[Moopai]

Joe Achilles, Remove Before Race (RBR) recorded 3.12s more than once and Throttle House recorded 3.1s w/ 11.1s 1/4 mile. I thought Matt Watson made a comment in the video that there could be an issue with the tires/temp and that's why he couldn't get better than 3.4s.

Last week someone dyno (check the M5 forum) the car and it was showing some crazy over 650 hp while BMW is claiming 585 hp. With this much hp/tq this car can easily hit the 3.1s, and with a few mods (downpipes etc) it could potentially go lower than 3s.

Personally, I don't care about the weight since I don't track my cars, what I'm not happy about (as I mentioned earlier) is the interior quality!

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Here is the latest Carwow report on G90
Overall this car is atleast 0.5 seconds slower than M8 in straight line…

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by Moopai

Joe Achilles, Remove Before Race (RBR) recorded 3.12s more than once and Throttle House recorded 3.1s w/ 11.1s 1/4 mile. I thought Matt Watson made a comment in the video that there could be an issue with the tires/temp and that's why he couldn't get better than 3.4s.

Last week someone dyno (check the M5 forum) the car and it was showing some crazy over 650 hp while BMW is claiming 585 hp. With this much hp/tq this car can easily hit the 3.1s, and with a few mods (downpipes etc) it could potentially go lower than 3s.

Personally, I don't care about the weight since I don't track my cars, what I'm not happy about (as I mentioned earlier) is the interior quality!

Well.
My comment was on a post claiming STOCK G90 IS AS FAST AS STOCK M8.
Lets wait for Car & Driver and other reviewer to record the straight line numbers.
Car & Driver recorded 2.5 seconds 0-60 and 10.7 seconds 1/4 mile for M8 Competition. Noway stock G90 can keep with these numbers.
Modification is something else.
As fars as HP even with 650 HP at crank,G90 is not as fast as M8 because of extra 1100 lb weight
BTW there is a video out there that Carwow claimed 650 HP at crank of F90 M5 … the same for M8

[A_]

Power values do not translate into acceleration times. Performance is worse than the previous generation.

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well.
My comment was on a post claiming STOCK G90 IS AS FAST AS STOCK M8.
Lets wait for Car & Driver and other reviewer to record the straight line numbers.
Car & Driver recorded 2.5 seconds 0-60 and 10.7 seconds 1/4 mile for M8 Competition. Noway stock G90 can keep with these numbers.
Modification is something else.
As fars as HP even with 650 HP at crank,G90 is not as fast as M8 because of extra 1100 lb weight
BTW there is a video out there that Carwow claimed 650 HP at crank of F90 M5 … the same for M8

If you read my comment i said it feels as fast and i did not claim it is exacrly as fast
0.1 and 0.2 100 to 200 is not something u can feel while driving especially with that amount of torque
Yes i like numbers and we all do but people who buy these cars do not care about being 0.1 or 0.2 faster or slower and it is mainly what u feel while driving it and the V8
Again it sounds horrible but fixable aith exhaust
On paper and on draggy it is most likely 0.1 to 0.2 slower but in real life sittuation with instant torque you will have the jump on a rolling race until the M8 builds boost
I mainly use numbers because i tune my car and to compare before and after
So will get numbers next week stock

[A_]

You have to believe me, if someone has taken thousands of measurements in several cars they can feel 0.3s difference between 100-200. I can feel it. In my opinion BMW is not able to make a very fast car with a V8 engine that can cope with EURO7 emission standards and that is why the new m5 g90 is slower than the previous generation. There has always been a jump in performance between e34-e39 , then e39-e60, then e60-f10, then f10-f90. EURO7 is too strict for a car like the M5, which has a big 4.4 V8 engine. A big and heavy battery is a dead end. Already 10 years ago BMW had problems with the M generation f10/f13 when they switched from EURO5 to EURO6. The M5/M6 F13/F06 with EURO6 were slower than the M5/M6 F13/F06 with EURO5!!! I had both and could experience this. BMW fooled me then

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by A_

You have to believe me, if someone has taken thousands of measurements in several cars they can feel 0.3s difference between 100-200. I can feel it. In my opinion BMW is not able to make a very fast car with a V8 engine that can cope with EURO7 emission standards and that is why the new m5 g90 is slower than the previous generation. There has always been a jump in performance between e34-e39 , then e39-e60, then e60-f10, then f10-f90. EURO7 is too strict for a car like the M5, which has a big 4.4 V8 engine. A big and heavy battery is a dead end. Already 10 years ago BMW had problems with the M generation f10/f13 when they switched from EURO5 to EURO6. The M5/M6 F13/F06 with EURO6 were slower than the M5/M6 F13/F06 with EURO5!!! I had both and could experience this. BMW fooled me then

The only thing you feel is torque changes unless the change is 1 sec or more
Trust me from experience
I bet you go drive the G90 and you think it has more power then the M8
It is because it has more torque not because it is faster

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

The only thing you feel is torque changes unless the change is 1 sec or more
Trust me from experience
I bet you go drive the G90 and you think it has more power then the M8
It is because it has more torque not because it is faster

You can’t feel more torque when you have more weight…
It’s simple physic… F = m*a

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

If you read my comment i said it feels as fast and i did not claim it is exacrly as fast
0.1 and 0.2 100 to 200 is not something u can feel while driving especially with that amount of torque
Yes i like numbers and we all do but people who buy these cars do not care about being 0.1 or 0.2 faster or slower and it is mainly what u feel while driving it and the V8
Again it sounds horrible but fixable aith exhaust
On paper and on draggy it is most likely 0.1 to 0.2 slower but in real life sittuation with instant torque you will have the jump on a rolling race until the M8 builds boost
I mainly use numbers because i tune my car and to compare before and after
So will get numbers next week stock

Can you share your M8 numbers before and after tune?

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Can you share your M8 numbers before and after tune?

Sure
100 to 200 stock 2022 m8 coupe with bmc filter only on e 20 mix
6.74

With jb4 map 2 same road and back to back e20 mix 6.12

[ctelimad]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

You can’t feel more torque when you have moew weight…
It’s simple physic… F = m*a

With all respect i disagree
Torque is a force and yes you can feel the force if a car has more torque then another one regardless if it is weight

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

With all respect i disagree
Torque is a force and yes you can feel the force if a car has more torque then another one regardless if it is weight

So what you feel is not torque.
You can only feel the acceleration which is “a” so torque ( force) to weight or F/m is not higher than F90 or F92 that you can feel.

[M6-Coupe]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

Sure
100 to 200 stock 2022 m8 coupe with bmc filter only on e 20 mix
6.74

With jb4 map 2 same road and back to back e20 mix 6.12

Thanks
Let’s see the numbers for G90

[Moopai]

I understood your comment earlier... My comment is about the 3.4s which BMW is claiming. Throttle House made a video proving the G90 beating a stock non-competition M5. The G90 will NEVER be as fast as the M8 stock wise due to its wait.

Unfortunately the days of combustion engines will soon be gone as the automotive industry is going in a new direction and that is electric cars. I think we are luck that BMW is still building a V8 Hybrid engine unlike Mercedes with their stupid 2.0 four-cylinder engine.

I'm hoping the BMW and Toyota collaboration on Hydrogen Fuel Cell will get somewhere and eventually build Hydrogen engines, then we will not be having these discussion around vehicle weight as heavy batteries will not be needed to power the electrical motor!

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Well.
My comment was on a post claiming STOCK G90 IS AS FAST AS STOCK M8.
Lets wait for Car & Driver and other reviewer to record the straight line numbers.
Car & Driver recorded 2.5 seconds 0-60 and 10.7 seconds 1/4 mile for M8 Competition. Noway stock G90 can keep with these numbers.
Modification is something else.
As fars as HP even with 650 HP at crank,G90 is not as fast as M8 because of extra 1100 lb weight
BTW there is a video out there that Carwow claimed 650 HP at crank of F90 M5 … the same for M8

[A_]

Originally Posted by M6-Coupe

Thanks
Let’s see the numbers for G90

Racechip has already shown numbers

I was told when they tested g90 in Poland that you get worse times from the roll

[A_]

Originally Posted by Moopai

I understood your comment earlier... My comment is about the 3.4s which BMW is claiming. Throttle House made a video proving the G90 beating a stock non-competition M5. The G90 will NEVER be as fast as the M8 stock wise due to its wait.

Unfortunately the days of combustion engines will soon be gone as the automotive industry is going in a new direction and that is electric cars. I think we are luck that BMW is still building a V8 Hybrid engine unlike Mercedes with their stupid 2.0 four-cylinder engine.

I'm hoping the BMW and Toyota collaboration on Hydrogen Fuel Cell will get somewhere and eventually build Hydrogen engines, then we will not be having these discussion around vehicle weight as heavy batteries will not be needed to power the electrical motor!

The hydrogen cell is only suitable for warm climates e.g. California. When it's cold and wet the fuel consumption is at the level of a petrol v8, similar to a traditional battery electric car which also doesn't like the cold. I have a toyota mirai and it only has a long range in summer when it is warm

Maybe let's wait for a v8 with a mild hybrid, something like the hybrid in the 992.2. There was information somewhere that the new generation M3 will have such a hybrid, not some heavy battery.

[A_]

Originally Posted by ctelimad

The only thing you feel is torque changes unless the change is 1 sec or more
Trust me from experience
I bet you go drive the G90 and you think it has more power then the M8
It is because it has more torque not because it is faster

I know what I felt and what I feel now. All it takes is a higher oil temperature and the computer reduces boost and you feel it accelerate slower in some speed range.
The soft in the M6 F13 575ps euro5 was very good, but the soft in the M6 F13 600ps euro6b was very poor. The car would accelerate, then you could feel it start to slow down at 160km/h, then at 190km/h it started to accelerate faster again. And this was all due to the euro6b emission standards. Only in the new generation m5/m8 f90/f92 have they dealt with euro6d and it is very fast.

BMW refused to acknowledge my complaint that the first m6 was faster and the new LCI is much slower. They said that was the homologation and they could not change the software. In the end I bought a box with ‘ess tuning’ and improved the performance.

[A_]

0-60mph in 2.78s

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by M8Competition

Hi everyone, I recently got an M8 GC but now as I’m thinking I should’ve gotten the new M5. Even though everybody says it’s heavy but from what I’m seeing on YT everybody who reviews it says you don’t really feel the weight and it accelerates pretty fast. Any other people regret getting an M8GC with old body instead of getting a G90.

Came upon a video of the slowest selling cars of 2024 and the 5 was one. IIRC not quite 4K on the lots but the car sits on the lots for over 200 days. That's horrible.

Here's a video about the slow selling 5 but it is not the one I watched. I didn't save a link to the video I watched.

Added: Found the YT channel and the video. Link below. 5 series section starts at 8:13...