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History just repeats itself. BMW shouldn't have ruined the 6 series lineup with the G32 GT looking POS. The F06 GC was probably the best looking sedan BMW has ever produced. What a sleek and clean looking GC touring sedan. BMW figured it could milk it and upcharge for essentially the same car design the next gen by renaming it the 8 series haha. I guess that didn't work out.
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07-13-2020, 08:52 PM | #69 | |
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I would like one and know many guys that would. The problem is that the lay-out of the vehicle and interior ergonomics are terrible. The lack of leg space in the rear seats are the problem! Honda Accord has pretty much the same length and very few can touch the bottom of the leg area in the front when the seat is pushed max in the rear, and there is still space in the back. At a normal setting (and I am pretty tall) in the rear there is a normal space for an adult to sit comfortably on a long trip. They engineer it wrong and that is the issue. And, the Gran Coupe ended up too long for the same reason. |
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My feeling is that the coupe and convertible share enough parts and mechanicals with the Gran Coupe that as long as the latter is produced, it's going to be a while before the former become obsolete. So far all we've heard about is US production, and the coupe and convertible may still be manufactured for other markets. In some parts of the country, the remaining vehicles could actually see higher demand as supply becomes more constrained. One of the dealers I was negotiating with said that they would be less likely to substantially discount an M8 if they knew that more vehicles weren't being built. Personally, I'm hoping that 2020 is the last and only model year for the M8 coupe and convertible. They're beautiful cars and attract a lot of attention. I bought mine and have no regrets. Rather than settling for whatever is left, find one that checks all of the boxes and make it yours.
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07-13-2020, 09:31 PM | #73 |
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This is why:
https://carsalesbase.com/us-bmw-8-series/ https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2020-u...ures-by-model/ Also, a decked out M850i is $125,000. I can get a 2017 R8 V10 Plus with 1,800 miles on it for the same price. I know which one I'd rather have.
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The X8M will probably be more expensive than the XB7, though it is rumored to have a S63 + hybrid system with 700+hp to make up for it. In terms of market positioning, BMW would want an SUV more expensive than the current X7 lineup, but not as expensive as the Cullinan. It will be going up against the Cayenne Turbo, Bentley Bentayga, Aston Martin DBX, etc... |
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8-series has been all over the place
BMW make up your mind
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That's unfortunate because the car has potential. Maybe just reduce the size and call it, M4!
I agree with other members though. At that price point you're opening the door to much more competition that their lower models don't have; especially when factoring in incentives and lease deals.
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i guess i just personally dont understand why an m8 is 30-40k more than an m5. the m6 was what 5-10k more expensive than the m5 at the time? bmw can say its not an m6 all day long but is there really any major difference between the m5 and the m8? same drivetrain/interior/materials/etc -- maybe with some small tweaks but certainly not enough to justify the price difference.
it seems like the 8 series was an exercise in price it higher and see if it creates exclusivity which doesnt work if theres nothing particularly special about the car compared to the rest of the lineup. |
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BMW killed off the 6er to make more money
This is unfortunate egg in their face X8 will sell regardless
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glad I skipped this and went with a Porsche GT car. These cars will be $60k in 2 years. Sad.
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The M5 is an iconic badge with a storied history. If it goes down, it will take the entire M division down with it.
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And I hope they learn the lesson, long term not just short term. It’s interesting, and not one bit surprising, that some people find the 8 series coupe unattractive, in contrast to the previous 6 series. Same sentiments have been shared on the forums, and these arguments aren’t without merit. So what does BMW do? Put out the new 4 series with its massively polarizing looks. I’m watching that one with a lot of interest...
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I am a firm believer that every manufacturer has a pricing limit in the eyes of many consumers and BMW has overstepped theirs. You know, A BMW isn't worth *insert dollar amount here*. BMW kind of did it to themselves though by leaving the high end market and wanting to focus more on FWD 1's and 2's and X this and X that. Both Mercedes and Audi are still in the high end game with the Mercedes AMG GT and the R8. Also, a brand new Audi R8 is significantly more expensive than a brand new 8 series. That price bracket of cars is for a very few select group of people. The 8 series is for the management team and the R8 is for the CEO kind of thing. Now, on the used market it becomes an entirely different story. That management team can probably buy a used R8 but that doesn't count for Audi sales. There are a lot more people that are part of the management team then there are people that are CEO's.
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Since the G8X cars are too controversial already just based on styling, if they get poor reviews on launch for any reason, then I have a feeling it will take the whole M division down. Might as well go beg Albert Biermann to come back and rebuild it with 3 or 4 true M models. |
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Seen a few m8 convertibles lease with a 25% off msrp discount. Honestly, if not for that, I have no idea why anyone would pick an m8 over a m850 (unless money was no object)
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There is a ceratin niche of price for some vehicles and the prestige of the brand plays a huge role in here. BMW decided to cheap out and use CLAR FWD platforms, and use very cheap materials in cars. The new front seats share the same black rear back cover, when they use to have the same color with the leather choice, the headliner is a pantyhose material that is used everywhere and in all, including high end series, they do not offer different lighter headlines in certain models anymore, the sunshade is a saggy cloth, the plastics are terrible, the seats are not full leather anymore but half textile on the bottom area, etc. They also gave up any halo car and throw an electric i8 which was a failure to begin with as the wrong engine was in it and was very spartan in terms of interior and amenities. The M badge is slapped in every little car that shouldn’t wear that badge except it is engineered by M. They actually affected tremendously the M reputation. The real M owners are discredited as the stupid BMW greediness is milking the whatever is left of this letter that used to be a powerful statement. Bottom line, they pretty much cheapened the whole brand. They wanted volume, they have volume. They wanted China, and they get China reputation. The shareholders cared about their pockets NOW, not for the future and the BMW brand is actually on a slope. Never thought that Audi will reach a certain level, yet they did, and exceeding now. They have everything including a halo car to reiterate the status quo of the brand. BMW now is just a volume maker with a questionable quality in the lower models. At least if they could really make -for example- an X1 like the previous one, with a RWD biased true xDrive, good materials and a sedan like chassis. But so far, all we get is confusing nomenclature with FWD chassis and questionable quality. Just cheaper cars for more money... So, ya, BMW value perception is not whee it supposed to be.... |
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This was expected, they renamed car from M6 to M8, slapped another 30-40t, but buyers didn't go for that cheap trick.
BMW is making bad decisions last 4 years. This crap with grill is just cherry on the top.
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