[C5driver]

SWA, more than any other airline, is a flying bus. On time and moderately ok for mass transit.

Jet Blue, Virgin America...they're like Uber Black.

Frontier and Spirit is like taking the subway at 2am through Murderville.

[M_Six]

Landed early, but it does us no good since SWA is just as incompetent as AA when it comes to gate management. So now we sit within sight of two open gates while waiting for an occupied gate to clear.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

Commercial first class is not what is used to be either. Coach is beyond absurd. Needs to be an emergency / too far to drive for me to fly.

With traffic these days, that pretty much means you're flying anywhere.

And you're definitely flying if you want to go anywhere worth going.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by C5driver

SWA, more than any other airline, is a flying bus. On time and moderately ok for mass transit.

Jet Blue, Virgin America...they're like Uber Black.

Frontier and Spirit is like taking the subway at 2am through Murderville.

LOL at people thinking Virgin is some awesome airline.

1) Virgin hardly flies anywhere from multiple cities.
2) Most of their flights are 2-3 hrs and go to shitty destinations like Boston, Cancun, Puerto Vallarta, and DC.
3) Jet Blue...same thing.
4) Service doesn't really matter on a 2hr flight and Virgin isn't that great.
5) They're partnered with Delta, perhaps the shittiest airline.
6) Their routes and flight times suck.

Anyone who actually travels a lot can tell you that you essentially can't avoid American and United unless you want to go out of your way.

The only flights with any decent service or frankly, where service even matters are international flights. I'm more interested in nonstop options and being on time. Virgin is just as late as any other airline...I've flown them to California several times, all shitty.

Emirates, Lufthansa, and Singapore have the best service and actually fly where you might want to go. And as crappy as American is, at least there is nonstop service to a TON of locations FROM a ton of locations.

Virgin might be great, but it's too hard to get anywhere because the options are so limited.

[C5driver]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

LOL at people thinking Virgin is some awesome airline.

1) Virgin flies nowhere.

It flies to where we need to go, so I don't understand what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

2) Most of their flights are 2-3 hrs and go to shitty destinations like Boston, Cancun, Puerto Vallarta, and DC.

Don't disagree that Newark is shitty, but it's better than JFK and the same as LGA.

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

3) Jet Blue...same thing.

Bullshit. They fly out of Long Beach, which is one of the better regional airports.

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

Anyone who actually travels a lot can tell you that you essentially can't avoid American and United unless you want to go out of your way.

The only flights with any decent service or frankly, where service even matters are international flights.

Again...bullshit. You need to look at need vs. cost vs. convenience. If I'm flying an hour up the coast, I could care less about the service. I need a seat, convenient times, and a decent fare, in that order. If it's an 11 hour flight, then yeah...I want comfort and service.

I'm not taking my car to Home Depot for lumber...

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by C5driver

It flies to where we need to go, so I don't understand what you're talking about.



Don't disagree that Newark is shitty, but it's better than JFK and the same as LGA.



Bullshit. They fly out of Long Beach, which is one of the better regional airports.



Again...bullshit. You need to look at need vs. cost vs. convenience. If I'm flying an hour up the coast, I could care less about the service. I need a seat, convenient times, and a decent fare, in that order. If it's an 11 hour flight, then yeah...I want comfort and service.

I'm not taking my car to Home Depot for lumber...

Are you saying Virgin/Jet Blue do fly to a lot of destinations in Europe, Asia, South America, and the Caribbean? Again, they might fly to SOME of the places SOME of the time, but the freaking times and routes are unmanageable..

That isn't bullshit.

If you are flying regionally and locally all the time, more power to you, but again...doesn't really matter on a 2hr flight.

I've flown Virgin and find them just like any other airline for Intercontinental flight. American is shitty, but unless it's international, flying is a commodity now. Virgin has FEW options internationally.

I guess you like them because they fly to the few destinations you go? Then fine.

[other_evolved]

Originally Posted by M_Six

Not. I'm in a window seat on SWA. My back is killing me and I barely have room to type on my tablet. Forget using a laptop.

I feel just fine in them and I'm not giant, by any means, but I'm not the smallest guy in the plane, either.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

With traffic these days, that pretty much means you're flying anywhere.

And you're definitely flying if you want to go anywhere worth going.

I guess that explains why I don't think there are too many places worth going and just hang out in FL most of my time.

[C5driver]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

Are you saying Virgin/Jet Blue do fly to a lot of destinations in Europe, Asia, South America, and the Caribbean? Again, they might fly to SOME of the places SOME of the time, but the freaking times and routes are unmanageable..

That isn't bullshit.

You said:

"2) Most of their flights are 2-3 hrs and go to shitty destinations like Boston, Cancun, Puerto Vallarta, and DC.
3) Jet Blue...same thing."

I disagreed, saying while Newark may be shitty, it's convenient, which makes it less than shitty.

Also, Jet Blue flies out of Long Beach which is the best regional airport for us.

No big deal...

[bimmette]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

LOL at people thinking Virgin is some awesome airline.

1) Virgin hardly flies anywhere from multiple cities.
2) Most of their flights are 2-3 hrs and go to shitty destinations like Boston, Cancun, Puerto Vallarta, and DC.
3) Jet Blue...same thing.
4) Service doesn't really matter on a 2hr flight and Virgin isn't that great.
5) They're partnered with Delta, perhaps the shittiest airline.
6) Their routes and flight times suck.

Anyone who actually travels a lot can tell you that you essentially can't avoid American and United unless you want to go out of your way.

The only flights with any decent service or frankly, where service even matters are international flights. I'm more interested in nonstop options and being on time. Virgin is just as late as any other airline...I've flown them to California several times, all shitty.

Emirates, Lufthansa, and Singapore have the best service and actually fly where you might want to go. And as crappy as American is, at least there is nonstop service to a TON of locations FROM a ton of locations.

Virgin might be great, but it's too hard to get anywhere because the options are so limited.

I would not say Lufthansa is anywhere as good as Emirates and Singapore!!! The Germans do not emphasize customer service like Emirates and Singapore.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by bimmette

I would not say Lufthansa is anywhere as good as Emirates and Singapore!!! The Germans do not emphasize customer service like Emirates and Singapore.

Agreed...I flew a really good flight on Lufthansa, so I am slightly biased althought it's consistently in the top 15. Qatar, Emirates, and Singapore are on a different level.

To be honest, I've flown Malaysian Air and they were outstanding, despite the recent tragedies.

All Nippon also pimp. I haven't flow Etihad yet, but it is among the best.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by C5driver

You said:

"2) Most of their flights are 2-3 hrs and go to shitty destinations like Boston, Cancun, Puerto Vallarta, and DC.
3) Jet Blue...same thing."

I disagreed, saying while Newark may be shitty, it's convenient, which makes it less than shitty.

Also, Jet Blue flies out of Long Beach which is the best regional airport for us.

No big deal...

I just meant those aren't travel destinations and you'd have to connect to a different airline to go to many places worldwide.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by bimmette

I would not say Lufthansa is anywhere as good as Emirates and Singapore!!! The Germans do not emphasize customer service like Emirates and Singapore.

My parents are currently stuck in Frankfurt because of Lufthansa.

[bimmette]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

My parents are currently stuck in Frankfurt because of Lufthansa.

Ugh that's a terrible airport to be stuck at!!

[John Tanglewood]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

Tis. I just DO NOT FUCKING GET IT, why the need to recline, causes nothing but problems.

I recline all the time. Because I like to be more comfortable.

Now it's understandable that people are more fussy about reclining because you don't have as much space as you used to.

But as long as the seats recline, I'll be reclining.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by C5driver

SWA, more than any other airline, is a flying bus. On time and moderately ok for mass transit.

Jet Blue, Virgin America...they're like Uber Black.

Frontier and Spirit is like taking the subway at 2am through Murderville.

I just spit my drink out laughing so hard... Truer words have not been spoken today... I said today, damnit...

SW - although I've never done it, but I feel is very similar to cattle calling - where they line up the herd to be funneled into the slaughterhouse... You couldn't pay me to take SW / Frontier / Spirit...

Alaskan Airlines however is nice... JB isn't doing to well financially and Virgin found a way to make cheaper flights more posh...

I don't know why our domestic flights can't take notes from say Emirates or even Turkish Airlines...

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by bimmette

Ugh that's a terrible airport to be stuck at!!

Thankfully they aren't in the airport. They had a flight out today but it was cancelled because of the strike. So they rescheduled for tomorrow on Delta. They're spending the night at a hotel in the city.

Thankfully BMW was accommodating. They extended my parents ED by a day.

[davis449]

I just don't understand all the Southwest hate. I really don't. I fly them the most often, but I've also flown many other carriers in very recent times. I'm a domestic traveler when I do fly. On the routes I've flown, all of the other airlines' planes are just as "cramped" or worse. Definitely older\shittier than Southwest's aircraft (save for the ONE 737-800 on American recently from DFW to L.A. that I found to be nicer and more comfortable than a typical Southwest 737). I love not being absolutely gouged by bag fees. I just check in exactly 24 hrs. before my flight to get in the "A" boarding group which gets you any seat you want and, if you're that guy, overhead storage bin of your choosing. For not much more, if you're lazy, you can pay for Early Bird check in (where the cost is not a "fare equalizer", by any stretch of the imagination, even if you wait to purchase it at the counter right before you board) and get this ability without having to check in exactly 24 hrs. before your flight. I really don't see much of a downside to their method of boarding an aircraft ("herding cattle") as opposed to calling out random groups of people (sometimes up to 5 groups of special people with "privileges" and then by fucking seat order ). It results in fucking chaos that's frustrating. Hell, at least Southwest's method is efficient. Sure, they don't offer meals. Who the fuck wants to eat airplane food, especially these days, anyway? Really? Even flying overseas, I was like "Yeah...I can make it to Frankfurt." I also enjoy free TV on my own mobile device, whether that be my iPhone, iPad, or laptop.

Also, let's be crystal fucking clear that Southwest is nowhere, even remotely, located near the realm of shit in which Frontier and Spirit reside.

[M_Six]

Originally Posted by other_evolved

I feel just fine in them and I'm not giant, by any means, but I'm not the smallest guy in the plane, either.

I was reading that SWA's latest version of the 737 has 10 more seats. When was the last time you flew SWA? And was it on a 737-800 or something larger?

I don't think there's any less legroom on SWA. I just think the seats are narrower. Or maybe I'm just used to flying with my 125lb wife beside me instead of some 225lb guy. I just know for both halves of this r/t to Orlando, I had no way to comfortably rest the arm that had to share space with the center seat person.

I've done my sharing of bitching about AA, and they deserve it, but at least they have the option of ponying up a few extra bucks for roomier seats in steerage.

[other_evolved]

Originally Posted by M_Six

I was reading that SWA's latest version of the 737 has 10 more seats. When was the last time you flew SWA? And was it on a 737-800 or something larger?

I don't think there's any less legroom on SWA. I just think the seats are narrower. Or maybe I'm just used to flying with my 125lb wife beside me instead of some 225lb guy. I just know for both halves of this r/t to Orlando, I had no way to comfortably rest the arm that had to share space with the center seat person.

I've done my sharing of bitching about AA, and they deserve it, but at least they have the option of ponying up a few extra bucks for roomier seats in steerage.

Last week from MCO to STL. I fly pretty frequently and I rarely encounter an issue. Sure, I may have to jockey for an armrest, but that exists on any airline. SWA, for domestic travel, is one of the better ones. Easy boarding, pick your own seat, and they're relatively on time. Cheaper tickets, for the most part, as well. I don't see the downside.

Edit: Also, SWA only flies 737's.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by BrokenVert

My parents are currently stuck in Frankfurt because of Lufthansa.

Germany is still a pimp country. Probably something unavoidable scheduling wise.

They are an amazing economy...they are the 4th largest economy in the world and their country is no bigger than about 3 US midwest states.

[BrokenVert]

Originally Posted by BayMoWe335

Germany is still a pimp country. Probably something unavoidable scheduling wise.

They are an amazing economy...they are the 4th largest economy in the world and their country is no bigger than about 3 US midwest states.

Huge Lufthansa strike. Whole airline is basically shut down in Germany.

They booked a flight on Delta and are currently in the air.