[rjjr1963]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Terrible news. Hybrids and EV’s are crap.

I had the same opinion until I realized my 540ix was a hybrid and I didn't even know it. No plug in just fill with gas and it charges automatically. It only adds about 11 HP but you really do notice it taking off from a stop.

My buddy bought a Tesla Plaid and took me for a ride. 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. Those EV's got game but I'm still not sold on the whole EV concept.

[Froz3n_M]

That's great and all, but there's nothing like exhaust sound and the thrill of a mechanical, rough, ICE. Granted, they're pretty smooth now, but the exhaust sound and the intakes screaming with turbo spool… Call me old school but that's what cars are to me. EVs are just big golf carts IMO and I don't think they're the future, but that's a completely different topic.

This is the reason I went full M this time around, I plan to keep it and garage it after a while. I'll eventually get an EV and fall in line if need be, but it's not the same.

[khanyam4]

Garbage! bmw is losing their mind now.

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by MilehighM3

No one near the 740hp mark with zero lag is going to be bitching about performance. Especially with the next gen M5 wagon set to come to the US. Then consider most other manufacturers all killed or have plans to kill their V8s…

With CAFE standards so high we all should feel lucky that the V8 stays around. New engine means at least 6-7 more years with a V8 in the brand. The next gen M3/4 will definitely be a hybrid as well.

A Touring is not a definite as yet as the M3 Touring response will dictate overall decision on an M5 variant.
The Touring like previous Touring's are not likely to be offered in North America either.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by ice31

The weight

Exactly. The weight and no sound of hybrids and EV’s.

[RNemesisN63]

Originally Posted by 24kJuice

Is it possible for there to be a hybrid and gasoline model. It's almost sad to see all of my dream cars turn into hybrids and EV's. I'm not against it in any way. I'm just a little hurt to see all of my childhood dream cars go away from what made them what they are.

I mean eventually the idea is to have no more gasoline cars. At least here in CA where I am they want to stop the sell of new gasoline cars by 2030. Hoping they have way better range by then. My plan though is to keep whatever gasoline cars I have at the time. Not about to give them up but do welcome having better (and faster) EV options.

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by Peertwelve

Yeah like the Porsche 918. Total POS

I’m talking about hybrids and EV’s in general. Not some ultra exclusive premium Porsche hybrid like the 918.

[Peertwelve]

Originally Posted by Hegge

I'm talking about hybrids and EV's in general. Not some ultra exclusive premium Porsche hybrid like the 918.

I thought we were talking about the next M3/M4

[Bender82]

I actually really like the idea of a hybrid M car. You can do your everyday shopping trips with great fuel economy, can leave your neigborhood silently at night and still have a sick sports car with a petrol engine when you want to.

Performance wise it's going to be sick too.

[GregM4]

Originally Posted by Ibiza

The new M5 is going to have the same engine as the upcoming XM. A full on EV M is years away. Publicity released EV batteries I doubt would provide a M range of more than a 100 miles.

100% agree. Think the next M3/M4 will have a combustion engine plus electric engine. What engine I am not sure. But most likely similar direction to AMG.

IMO there needs a few generations of batteries to be viable I think for full on M cars. I think the non full M cars are likely, and are already, taking up the electric challenge to convert current buyers, and pull in new buyers.

[BMW-ALPINA]

The short sloping rear end reminds me of the Mazda 121 silhouette. If BMW added 10-20cm more length on the rear, it will looks good though.

[playswcars]

Do we know if the next-gen 5er will be offered with a hatch?

With the rear end being so stubby, you could make the conclusion that it could potentially feature a hatch, à la 6er GT

[barryc365]

Originally Posted by Hegge

Exactly. The weight and no sound of hybrids and EV’s.

Originally Posted by ice31

The weight

The M5 already weighs a tonne.

there is a difference between a hybrid and a full on EV in terms of sound. The car will still use gasoline and emit smoke through an exhaust you do realise?

It's not ideal but with the constraints manufacturers are getting on emissions this is not the worst compromise

[ice31]

Originally Posted by rjjr1963

I had the same opinion until I realized my 540ix was a hybrid and I didn't even know it. No plug in just fill with gas and it charges automatically. It only adds about 11 HP but you really do notice it taking off from a stop.

My buddy bought a Tesla Plaid and took me for a ride. 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. Those EV's got game but I'm still not sold on the whole EV concept.

He was obviously not talking about mild hybrids, but rather full on plug in hybrids and EV's.
Mild hybrids are great tbh, they sort out(kinda) turbo lag, add some additional power, and you still keep that "feel" of a car, what's not to like...
Super fast EV's are a one trick pony and we all know it, after accelerating 50-100 times in it, it gets boring, when you add to that the fact that everything else about them is already boring and dead... you soon understand that they have nothing to offer for a car enthusiast.

[Cos270]

I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but if you're getting your hopes up for all these interim hybrid models before the switch to full electric, I really don't think it's going to happen. Engineering, development cost and manufacturing are significantly more expensive and more complicated for hybrid vehicles. Unless there is a guarantee that the vehicle will sell in large volumes, companies won't make enough on each vehicle compared to a purely EV or ICE car to justify the significant investments made up front. Not saying it's impossible, but highly unlikely.

[MilehighM3]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

A Touring is not a definite as yet as the M3 Touring response will dictate overall decision on an M5 variant.
The Touring like previous Touring's are not likely to be offered in North America either.

I've heard it's a yes from more than one reliable sources. Time will tell.

The M3 isn't offered because the standard wagon is not either and BMW won't submit to the crash testing requirements. The next 5 is planned for US in touring form. Possibly the key factor is the current RS6 sales statistics coupled with the lack of future V8 offerings from other manufacturers.

[GOLFFRR]

Plaid contender? or lucid air? wonder if there is a full electric contender also in the works. Would make sense seeing the popularity and trajectory of electric..

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by Peertwelve

Yeah like the Porsche 918. Total POS

Compare the soul to the CGT though … therein lies the problem. 918 certainly is a beast though.

[WickedBMW]

I'll enjoy my V12 until government confiscates it, lol.

[Straight6Dave]

Originally Posted by Cos270

I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but if you're getting your hopes up for all these interim hybrid models before the switch to full electric, I really don't think it's going to happen. Engineering, development cost and manufacturing are significantly more expensive and more complicated for hybrid vehicles. Unless there is a guarantee that the vehicle will sell in large volumes, companies won't make enough on each vehicle compared to a purely EV or ICE car to justify the significant investments made up front. Not saying it's impossible, but highly unlikely.

I think BMW has made it clear that gasoline engines are probably going to live on for a bit in their cars, they wouldn't be releasing new engines otherwise. This is BMW we're talking about, there's a fat profit margin built into every car.

[Equilibrandt]

A bunch of the X3/X5 have an onboard hybrid that boosts HP by like 50hp; though it appears to be a thinly-veiled excuse to really meet emission laws. Not unreasonable to expect that to occur under the guise of "but it's more HP!".

Two things that I think we (those who want ICE only-M3/4) for awhile longer:

> at current HP levels, I just don't see how they could cram enough battery to have a reasonable range
> I doubt they'd introduce a hybrid option during an LCI - so for the next few years (?) until the G-gen phases out, I'd think the M3/4 is safe.

[Cos270]

Originally Posted by Straight6Dave

I think BMW has made it clear that gasoline engines are probably going to live on for a bit in their cars, they wouldn't be releasing new engines otherwise. This is BMW we're talking about, there's a fat profit margin built into every car.

That's a good point about the larger profit margins. For companies that make more affordable cars, it doesn't make sense. Maybe luxury vehicles will be the exception?