10-25-2018, 05:33 PM | #45 |
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I can't tell if these new "ultimate driving machine" disappointments will eventually hurt sales. Right now sales is running off the reputation built decades ago. The bmw line up around 2000 was epic from a drivers standpoint and maybe the pinnacle of the company. With all cars being fairly lifeless, it's such a great opportunity for bmw to stamp down its authority. Instead bmw is just always a step behind Benz.
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10-25-2018, 06:47 PM | #46 |
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I don't understand, the prototype had steering feel according to Car and Driver, why would they get rid of it?!!?? Also saw that the M850i will be on the Grand Tour, should be interesting...
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10-25-2018, 09:49 PM | #47 |
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I feel like the interior of the 8 series was designed pre-X5/3 Series?? It is so much worse! I don't get it
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10-25-2018, 11:06 PM | #50 |
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While I agree that sometimes people live in a cloud when they think about old cars, they always say dont drive your hero cars because they will disappoint, but the E39 M5 does not disappoint.
Not sure you ever drove one but its definitely not a pile of dung.
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God...that’s guy’s voice and his tongue on the teeth can never be unseen.
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With that being said, I couldn't agree more that BMW is just living off its reputation and the public is loving it. The early '00s was the golden era but BMW was still pumping out drivers' cars until the end of that decade. The neutering of BMW began in 2009 with the E89 Z4 and F10 5er. Both were shitty excuses for BMWs symbolized the brand new Audi-like approach to "performance." BMW died when the E90 3er and E84 X1 departed. |
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My M4 is stock/non-CP and it's an incredible car for me. It cost half what my Porsche cost, and provides 8/10ths of the performance. Measured bang-for-the-buck, my M4 is superior to my 911 GTS. The two cars are equally fast, but as I've said before, performance does not equal only 0-60. And the 911's steering and handling characteristics are hands down superior to the M4's. BMW has talked about building a 911-fighter and they certainly have the engineering talent to do it, but we're all in agreement that the 8 is not that car and isn't intended to be. I wish it or another BMW was. If that's bitching, then so be it.
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Great looking car. At first sight I had a few doubts, but now as I have seen it in real life I am in love. Seems like a very nice GT car for a reasonable price. Can't wait for the M8 - if it drives anything like the M5, it will be the real deal.
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And sales are down , 3 is losing to the C class as of 2016 I believe. |
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10-26-2018, 08:13 AM | #61 |
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I think that's right. A nice car, but nothing more than that. I will say that if I was in the market for this sort of car, I would buy it over the Merc. It's subjective, but I think the Merc is slightly better looking and its interior is more inspired, but the 8 is a better handling car at a much better price point.
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The 8 series is a lot more like a 2 door Panamera than a 911. Perhaps you or I could drive any variant of the 911 no matter how track focused all across the country and actually enjoy it, but the target demographic for a car like the 8 wouldn’t. So the question is, would they pay a 100% premium for a DB11 or take the 8? BMW is betting that many of them will take the 8, and that it will hopefully attract some new type of buyer looking for something more swoopy than a 7 or some S class. This is a minuscule market in any case, hence the high price to make it financially viable. If I had to pick from this range, I would no doubt go for the M8GC.
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Not sure why BMW feels the need to make this car or other cars in their lineup that have such limited appeal/ potential buyers?? This must generate a lot more profit than I think it will.
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10-26-2018, 12:34 PM | #66 |
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I don't think this car captures the awesomeness of the original 8 Series coupe from the 1990s. That car might not have been the best performing model or be the most all inclusive package, but loved the sleek design.
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