[Vtg92]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

But you seem to be the angry Andy in the thread. I made a simple statement regarding EV transmissions being a single-speed manual transmission, and you went off on some tangent about manual vs. automatics and manliness. My statement was merely an engineering perspective.

I totally get you about the single transmission

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

I'd ask again where 1300hp is exhilarating but you're not understanding the question.

I already answered, it can be exhilarating every time you feel the g-forces from acceleration nearing 1g. I peak out at .90g on the M50 in the 0-30mph range. I would love to hit the accelerator at 60mph and get that same acceleration. Where you enjoy it doesn't really matter, as it can be enjoyed almost everyday in various areas that I drive. So the answer to your question is plenty of places for me and many others on this forum. The LUCID Sapphire has 1231 HP and is nice to drive in any conditions a Luxury Sedan is expected, or turning a lap close to a 992 GT3 RS on this year's C/D Lightning Lap. Why would you be so against having a extra reserve in HP for a street car that is still smooth, efficient, and tractable?

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

I already answered, it can be exhilarating every time you feel the g-forces from acceleration nearing 1g. I peak out at .90g on the M50 in the 0-30mph range. I would love to hit the accelerator at 60mph and get that same acceleration. Where you enjoy it doesn't really matter, as it can be enjoyed almost everyday in various areas that I drive. So the answer to your question is plenty of places for me and many others on this forum. The LUCID Sapphire has 1231 HP and is nice to drive in any conditions a Luxury Sedan is expected, or turning a lap close to a 992 GT3 RS on this year's C/D Lightning Lap. Why would you be so against having a extra reserve in HP for a street car that is still smooth, efficient, and tractable?

For what duration can you feel the exhilaration of 1300hp on a street car driving at or under a reasonable excess of the limit?

Then- is that acceptably exhilarating?

[TypeDre]

They’re trying so hard to manufacture hype for this car… it’s gross

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

For what duration can you feel the exhilaration of 1300hp on a street car driving at or under a reasonable excess of the limit?

Then- is that acceptably exhilarating?

Of course it is. Just having that instantaneous thrust is awesome. Even if you only need it for a second. It's like time is compressed when you need to make a pass on a two lane highway..You can make your own decision on when you want to pass someone because you have so much more safety margin to negotiate that pass, or even getting on the highway on ramp.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Of course it is. Just having that instantaneous thrust is awesome. Even if you only need it for a second. It's like time is compressed when you need to make a pass on a two lane highway..You can make your own decision on when you want to pass someone because you have so much more safety margin to negotiate that pass, or even getting on the highway on ramp.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Of course it is. Just having that instantaneous thrust is awesome. Even if you only need it for a second. It's like time is compressed when you need to make a pass on a two lane highway..You can make your own decision on when you want to pass someone because you have so much more safety margin to negotiate that pass, or even getting on the highway on ramp.

So yes, any intense change in momentum is exhilarating for you, even if it's for a second or two. This is entirely worth it for you, and enough to keep you entertained.

Sounds like our dopamine response is different, or we lead differently stimulating/exciting lives. Whatever the reason there are lots of explanations. The conclusion we have come to above is extraordinarily mundane to me, I require more sensory stimulation than physical force.

Perspective matters.

Thanks for your participation in my thought exercise.

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

So yes, any intense change in momentum is exhilarating for you, even if it's for a second or two. This is entirely worth it for you, and enough to keep you entertained.

Sounds like our dopamine response is different, or we lead differently stimulating/exciting lives. Whatever the reason there are lots of explanations. The conclusion we have come to above is extraordinarily mundane to me, I require more sensory stimulation than physical force.

Perspective matters.

Thanks for your participation in my thought exercise.

So a dragster reaches 60mph in a fraction of a second. A person that enjoys shooting guns has a fired shot done in milliseconds. People find these activities exhilarating. You may not. Perhaps bowling is much more stimulating than firing a gun for you. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Actually your thought exercise doesn't seem to have much thought.
Again, the Lucid Sapphire luxury sedan has almost 1300HP...look at its time around Virginia Intl Raceway...Around the road course it is quicker than ANY BMW on that list. And that car just happens to have more going for it than it's 2 seconds of acceleration to 60mph, or 100MPGe efficiency.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...storical-data/

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

So a dragster reaches 60mph in a fraction of a second. A person that enjoys shooting guns has a fired shot done in milliseconds. People find these activities exhilarating. You may not. Perhaps bowling is much more stimulating than firing a gun for you. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Actually your thought exercise doesn't seem to have much thought.
Again, the Lucid Sapphire luxury sedan has almost 1300HP...look at its time around Virginia Intl Raceway...Around the road course it is quicker than ANY BMW on that list. And that car just happens to have more going for it than it's 2 seconds of acceleration to 60mph, or 100MPGe efficiency.

You make some assumptions and assertions which don't make sense. Ill let you figure out which these are.

Are you now suggesting that 1300hp is most appropriately exhilarating on a track?

Not sure if I follow you

[hotrod182]

Originally Posted by ShocknAwe

You make some assumptions and assertions which don't make sense. Ill let you figure out which these are.

Are you now suggesting that 1300hp is most appropriately exhilarating on a track

Not sure if I follow you

Again, try and follow this: The, 1234 HP Sapphire can beat any factory BMW around many of these tracks and also slaughters them down the dragstrip with 9 second flat qtr mile runs.. But its real strength is actually as a street car. You know, what most of us use a car for 99% of the time? It is a very roomy, comfortable, efficient and quiet luxury sedan. All this would not be possible in one car if it were not electric.

[ShocknAwe]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Again, try and follow this: The, 1234 HP Sapphire can beat any factory BMW around many of these tracks and also slaughters them down the dragstrip with 9 second flat qtr mile runs.. But its real strength is actually as a street car. You know, what most of us use a car for 99% of the time? It is a very roomy, comfortable, efficient and quiet luxury sedan. All this would not be possible in one car if it were not electric.

You've convinced me. Who do I send your commission to?

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Again, try and follow this: The, 1234 HP Sapphire can beat any factory BMW around many of these tracks and also slaughters them down the dragstrip with 9 second flat qtr mile runs.. But its real strength is actually as a street car. You know, what most of us use a car for 99% of the time? It is a very roomy, comfortable, efficient and quiet luxury sedan. All this would not be possible in one car if it were not electric.

So I’ll ask my age old question no one ever answers. After they pay their $250,000 for this phenomenal car how is charging this wonderful vehicle going to work for all of these folks? Will they be comfortable parking their quarter million dollar car on the street every night? How are the 180 cars in my condo parking garage going to be charged without us spending $750,000 to add the electric infrastructure to the building and a charging station to every parking space? How is it going to work on my 1,150 mile drive from Chicago to Texas if I don’t have access to a fast charger that is readily available every 300 miles?

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by hotrod182

Again, try and follow this: The, 1234 HP Sapphire can beat any factory BMW around many of these tracks and also slaughters them down the dragstrip with 9 second flat qtr mile runs.. But its real strength is actually as a street car. You know, what most of us use a car for 99% of the time? It is a very roomy, comfortable, efficient and quiet luxury sedan. All this would not be possible in one car if it were not electric.

For $250K, it SHOULD do all that.

Now, the Air Pure that you can get through the end of April for as low as $60,400, as compared to a 2025 BMW 530i, that is a hellofadeal.

[ubercruise]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

So I’ll ask my age old question no one ever answers. After they pay their $250,000 for this phenomenal car how is charging this wonderful vehicle going to work for all of these folks? Will they be comfortable parking their quarter million dollar car on the street every night?

Uh, would anyone feel comfortable parking their $250k car on the street, EV or not? Who buys a $250k car without a garage?

Originally Posted by tturedraider

How is it going to work on my 1,150 mile drive from Chicago to Texas if I don’t have access to a fast charger that is readily available every 300 miles?

Why would you not have access to fast chargers on a commonly traveled route?

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by ubercruise

Uh, would anyone feel comfortable parking their $250k car on the street, EV or not? Who buys a $250k car without a garage?



Why would you not have access to fast chargers on a commonly traveled route?

Buying a $250,000 car. That wasn’t really the question. The question was how are they going to charge their street parked $60,000 Pure or their $40,000 Chevy Equinox? No one ever has a realistically practical answer to this question.

The question was readily available access, without waiting for other vehicles being charged. And for a working charger. It’s pretty widely reported that at any given time 20% - 30% of chargers are inoperable. By the way, there are lots of places one can travel to in Texas that are not commonly traveled.

[ubercruise]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

Buying a $250,000 car. That wasn’t really the question. The question was how are they going to charge their street parked $60,000 Pure or their $40,000 Chevy Equinox? No one ever has a realistically practical answer to this question.

Probably how it should have been positioned to begin with. The simple answer is that you charge it using a public charging station. I'm sure the next response is going to talk about how that takes longer than getting gas, but that wasn't the question posed.

Originally Posted by tturedraider

The question was readily available access, without waiting for other vehicles being charged. And for a working charger. It’s pretty widely reported that at any given time 20% - 30% of chargers are inoperable.

Becoming less of an issue these days, especially with supercharger access opening up. Anecdotally I've only seen maybe 5% of chargers not functioning on long road trips, and that's honestly probably rounding up quite a bit. Never have had to wait. Not to mention you can see most of the time which stations are down and/or available before you plan to arrive there, so you just go to the next one up the road or behind it. It definitely used to be worse - to me on the interstate it's mostly a nothingburger. Moreso an issue if you're trying to go out into the boonies somewhere and there's only one station or something, but I and most other people rarely ever do that.

Regardless these are all existing and rehashed arguments on whether or not someone should get an EV. I probably wouldn't if I couldn't charge at home, but I know people who do solely public charging and it doesn't seem like it impacts them that much. At any rate, one's own opinion or decision on whether or not they want to drive ICE or EV doesn't have much to do with the original intent of the thread.