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      07-21-2019, 09:50 PM   #69
Red Bread
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If the ZF8 is a great automatic, I'm glad I still only buy manuals. To be fair my experience with it was a horrible F30, so maybe there are better applications.
Exactly....it's pretty garbage
I also call shenanigans on autos being more efficient in the real world vs EPA window sticker ratings. My better half has had two ZF6 speed autos, a ZF8 speed and now a 7s DSG. She routinely gets 4-6 mpg less than the window sticker and I routinely beat my manual window sticker ratings by 2-3 mpg.

So even apples to apples, I'd likely see real world numbers still equal or close to what an auto would post. Now let's caveat this with the simple fact that both my wife and don't baby our cars and hers are nearly always in Sport+ so at least one gear isn't invited to the party. The point is, none of us are likely driving around like EPA testers so using their bs "more efficient" rating isn't really valid.
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