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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
No, straw man. That response shows you do not understand the issue on the most basic level. The claim is not that the earth hasn't changed climate/temperatures all on it's own, over time.
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Nope, I do understand the issue on the most basic level and better than you do. The argument of globalwarmingclimatechnage is that the greenhouse effect is affected by the level of free carbon gas in the atmosphere. Being that the greenhouse effect is what sustains life on the planet by keeping the temperature of the plant within a range that is conducive to developing and maintaining life in its various forms. The fear of the globalwarmingclimatechange community is that the greenhouse effect is of such delicate balance that any significant change in greenhouse gases (mainly carbon in their minds) will drastically alter the greenhouse balance and send the Earth into uninhabitable climate state for humans. So the obvious solution is to devise ways to reduce or stop exhausting carbon-based gases into the atmosphere. One easy and
politically visible way is to shut down factories, close coal-fueled power plants, and stop driving gasoline and diesel fueled automobiles. The reason it is political is because closing down manufacturing plants, shutting off coal-fueled electrical plants, and stopping the use of the internal combustion engine to power automobiles affect the livelihood of the humans the globalwarmingclimatechangists are trying to save.
The unanswerable question is if and how human activity (via the exhausting of carbon gasses into the atmosphere) is altering the greenhouse effect, which is where climate modelling is employed to try and answer the question. People who understand science, and who understand modelling, merely question the validity of the climate models used to determine the answer to the unanswerable question. This in turn affects the decision making of the globalwarmingclimatechangists who make the political decisions to curb carbon emissions. The argument here of the Earthtraditionalists (people like me) is that the globalwarmingclimatechangists are making bad decisions based off of bad data created by inaccurate and un-validated climate models. The only conclusion one can reach is that the globalwarmingclimatechangists want to (and think they can) manipulate the greenhouse effect in such ways as to keep the Earth's climate static so that human life can remain on the planet forever.
The Earthtraditionalists' counter argument is that the various branches of scientific study being things such as anthropology, geology, astronomy, have discovered data that show the Earth's climate changes without any intervention from humans, and that celestial mechanics has very much to do with the climate status of the Earth, which means the climate is supposed to change. And just to cut this short... means that the only reason humans exist on the planet at is IS BECAUSE of climate change. So the thinking by the globalwarmingclimatechangists that they can fuck with the greenhouse effect to keep the Earth's climate static and inhabitable for humans for the remaining of time is completely laughable. The sad part is that some coal miner in West Virginia trying to raise his family and have a cool truck gets fucked out of a job by this ridiculous mindset. That's why it is political.
This is the issue at its most basic level.